BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963

[Walt Cakebread]

Sadly, I have to agree with you there, Mr Cakebread! Happily, though, what we do know is what counts:

-----------------Two curtain rods were discovered in a place that warranted their being tested for Mr Oswald's prints...
-----------------Eight days after the submission of these two rods for fingerprint testing, two curtain rods were removed from the Paine garage!

Conclusion? The claim that no curtain rods were ever found at the Depository building is not just unsafe, it's just plain stoopid! 

Plus....We can see that the authorities were creating false documents to hide the fact that someone had pointed out a pair of curtain rods at the TSBD or had given Agent Howlett the curtain rods and told him where he had found them......( the latter is not likely) ....  Who ever that person was he was not someone that they could simply brush off or intimidate.....

[Richard Smith]

The discovery of those curtain rods must have caused quite the panic amongst the Oswald-Acted-Alone investigators!

Yes!!.....  So the question ( for me)  becomes ..... WHO discovered the curtain rods?.....  I would suspect that it was someone who surmised that Lee had dumped the curtain rods after leaving Buell Frazier who was charging his battery back in the parking lot, and before entering the back door of the TSBD.    There were a few honest cops on the DPD ....and one of them was Lt Jack Revill....   Is it possible that Revill had taken it upon himself to look for the curtain rods that Frazier said the Lee carried that morning.....   If so then they official WC "investigators" would be compelled to discredit the curtain rods......and have documentation that the curtain rods had been found in the Paine garage and had no connection to Lee Oswald. 

I doubt that we will ever know WHO discovered the curtain rods in or near the TSBD......

This gets better and better.  Oswald carries curtain rods to the TSBD but for some reason stashes them away outside before entering the building.  So far so bad as that makes no sense.  He then lies to the police and tells them he only had his lunch even though he has every incentive to acknowledge carrying curtain rods because it would help him.  But instead he lies.  Getting even worse.  The authorities who are trying to frame him for the assassination then decide for some unknown reason to conduct a search for the curtain rods that they don't want anyone to know Oswald carried.  LOL.  And then they find them but instead of doing the obvious thing in this fantasy like throwing them away they fill out a form to test them for Oswald's prints! The very guy they don't want the curtain rods ever associated with.  Can it get any better?  Oh yes, then they convince Ruth Paine to lie about these curtain rods being in her garage the entire time when all the authorities have to do is keep quiet about them ever being found.  Ludicrous and laughable.  There are no words adequate to describe the absurdity of that fantasy narrative in which the very people trying to frame Oswald by denying he had any curtain rods are the same ones who bring them to light.  You should be ashamed to peddle this nonsense.  But again, if anyone here sincerely believes this form proves a conspiracy, then don't waste more time here.  Take it to the NY Times or Wash Post.  I'm sure they would be delighted to win a Pulitzer Prize.  Get back to us on how that goes (assuming the guys in white coats don't capture you first).

[Walt Cakebread]

This gets better and better.  Oswald carries curtain rods to the TSBD but for some reason stashes them away outside before entering the building.  So far so bad as that makes no sense.  He then lies to the police and tells them he only had his lunch even though he has every incentive to acknowledge carrying curtain rods because it would help him.  But instead he lies.  Getting even worse.  The authorities who are trying to frame him for the assassination then decide for some unknown reason to conduct a search for the curtain rods that they don't want anyone to know Oswald carried.  LOL.  And then they find them but instead of doing the obvious thing in this fantasy like throwing them away they fill out a form to test them for Oswald's prints! The very guy they don't want the curtain rods ever associated with.  Can it get any better?  Oh yes, then they convince Ruth Paine to lie about these curtain rods being in her garage the entire time when all the authorities have to do is keep quiet about them ever being found.  Ludicrous and laughable.  There are no words adequate to describe the absurdity of that fantasy narrative in which the very people trying to frame Oswald by denying he had any curtain rods are the same ones who bring them to light.  You should be ashamed to peddle this nonsense.  But again, if anyone here sincerely believes this form proves a conspiracy, then don't waste more time here.  Take it to the NY Times or Wash Post.  I'm sure they would be delighted to win a Pulitzer Prize.  Get back to us on how that goes (assuming the guys in white coats don't capture you first).

Oswald carries curtain rods to the TSBD but for some reason stashes them away outside before entering the building.  So far so bad as that makes no sense


 Of course it makes sense.... Lee as playing the role of the person who was going to attempt to shoot JFK.... He wanted to be seen carrying a package that could be construed as containing a weapon....  And he didn't want it revealed that the package did not contain a weapon....Thus he told Frazier the curtain rod story.   But he didn't want all of the TSBD employees asking him what he had in the package..... so he removed his sandwich and fruit from the sack and left the curtain rods in the sack....then he dumped the curtain rods beneath the loading dock before entering the back door near the Domino room. 

Why is it that you so eagerly accept the utter nonsense presented by LBJ's cover up committee....and claim that logical actions that refute the WC  make no sense?

[John Iacoletti]

The only thing that will ever ?make sense? to ?Richard? is every jot and tittle of the WC narrative.

[Walt Cakebread]

The only thing that will ever ?make sense? to ?Richard? is every jot and tittle of the WC narrative.

Question:....Is it possible for a person who is lacking in "common sense" to make sense of anything ?   ie; ....arrive at a conclusion by using his God given brain.

[Richard Smith]

Oswald carries curtain rods to the TSBD but for some reason stashes them away outside before entering the building.  So far so bad as that makes no sense


 Of course it makes sense.... Lee as playing the role of the person who was going to attempt to shoot JFK.... He wanted to be seen carrying a package that could be construed as containing a weapon....  And he didn't want it revealed that the package did not contain a weapon....Thus he told Frazier the curtain rod story.   But he didn't want all of the TSBD employees asking him what he had in the package..... so he removed his sandwich and fruit from the sack and left the curtain rods in the sack....then he dumped the curtain rods beneath the loading dock before entering the back door near the Domino room. 

Why is it that you so eagerly accept the utter nonsense presented by LBJ's cover up committee....and claim that logical actions that refute the WC  make no sense?

Because your fantasy scenario makes no sense.  Does it make sense for Oswald to "play a role" as the person who was going to attempt to shoot JFK to carry a package too short to contain the rifle?  If Oswald is complicit in his own frame up as you suggest here, why not just carry the rifle in the bag that is found on the 6th floor?  Why all this pointless subterfuge?  Why bring his lunch that day?  LOL.  The entire point in your fantasy is to make him appear to be the assassin.  Instead the plan is for Oswald to carry curtain rods in a shorter bag, to recover those items, plant the rifle and another bag, and then suppress the curtain rods and the shorter bag, but then find them and check them for prints for some unknown reason and contrary to all incentives to cover them up!  Whew.  You can't honestly believe that would be a plan even in your bizarre fantasy.  If Oswald is complicit in his own frame up, he carries the rifle into the TSBD in the bag found on the 6th. And that solves all the conspirators problems.  It is bizarre that even in a situation in which you suggest that Oswald was part of the conspiracy, you can't bring yourself to accept that he carried the rifle and bag.  A great insight on the CTer "mind" though. 

[Walt Cakebread]

Because your fantasy scenario makes no sense.  Does it make sense for Oswald to "play a role" as the person who was going to attempt to shoot JFK to carry a package too short to contain the rifle?  If Oswald is complicit in his own frame up as you suggest here, why not just carry the rifle in the bag that is found on the 6th floor?  Why all this pointless subterfuge?  Why bring his lunch that day?  LOL.  The entire point in your fantasy is to make him appear to be the assassin.  Instead the plan is for Oswald to carry curtain rods in a shorter bag, to recover those items, plant the rifle and another bag, and then suppress the curtain rods and the shorter bag, but then find them and check them for prints for some unknown reason and contrary to all incentives to cover them up!  Whew.  You can't honestly believe that would be a plan even in your bizarre fantasy.  If Oswald is complicit in his own frame up, he carries the rifle into the TSBD in the bag found on the 6th. And that solves all the conspirators problems.  It is bizarre that even in a situation in which you suggest that Oswald was part of the conspiracy, you can't bring yourself to accept that he carried the rifle and bag.  A great insight on the CTer "mind" though.

Does it make sense for Oswald to "play a role" as the person who was going to attempt to shoot JFK to carry a package too short to contain the rifle?

So now you acknowledge that the flimsy paper sack was too short to contain the rifle....Thank you.   However, just as you WC apologists have argued for decades the sack contained a rifle ....And ignorant people have IMAGINED that it was true..... 

If Oswald is was unwittingly complicit in his own frame up as you suggest here, why not just carry the rifle in the bag that is found on the 6th floor? 
Mr Smith, You're like talking to an addled brain 7 year old.....  Lee Had no idea that JFK was going to be murdered....He was playing the same stupid game that he'd played at General Walker's house back in April....

I'm not going to try to explain anything more to you.. Who would be so stupid as too ask ....why not just carry the rifle in the bag that is found on the 6th floor?


Can you imagine a man carrying a rifle into a seven story building just a few hours before the POTUS is due to pass by that building?? He obviously couldn't have carried the rifle into the building where a dozen of his fellow employees were gathered waiting to go to work.   Do you think the police wouldn't have been there asking him questions by 9:00 am??  Don't ask me anymore questions....You're a waste of time.

[Richard Smith]

Does it make sense for Oswald to "play a role" as the person who was going to attempt to shoot JFK to carry a package too short to contain the rifle?

So now you acknowledge that the flimsy paper sack was too short to contain the rifle....Thank you.   However, just as you WC apologists have argued for decades the sack contained a rifle ....And ignorant people have IMAGINED that it was true..... 

If Oswald is was unwittingly complicit in his own frame up as you suggest here, why not just carry the rifle in the bag that is found on the 6th floor? 
Mr Smith, You're like talking to an addled brain 7 year old.....  Lee Had no idea that JFK was going to be murdered....He was playing the same stupid game that he'd played at General Walker's house back in April....

I'm not going to try to explain anything more to you.. Who would be so stupid as too ask ....why not just carry the rifle in the bag that is found on the 6th floor?



Can you imagine a man carrying a rifle into a seven story building just a few hours before the POTUS is due to pass by that building?? He obviously couldn't have carried the rifle into the building where a dozen of his fellow employees were gathered waiting to go to work.   Do you think the police wouldn't have been there asking him questions by 9:00 am??  Don't ask me anymore questions....You're a waste of time.

Wow - this is brutal.  Like beating a defenseless animal with a club.  I never acknowledged that the paper sack was too short to contain the rifle.  That is implicit in your fairy tale.  I simply addressed the absurdity in your fantasy in which Oswald is complicit in a scenario to make him appear to the attempted assassin but for some inexplicable reason then carries a bag too short to contain the rifle!  If Oswald wants to give the appearance of being the attempted assassin that day, why would he take his lunch and curtain rods in a bag too short to contain the rifle?  Why not just take the rifle?  And the conspirators have to cover up and replace all that with the evidence that Oswald would have voluntarily have carried himself.  Good grief.  Someone carried the rifle into the TSBD since it was found there.  Why do you think someone else could do that but not Oswald?  Besides in your nutty scenario, Oswald wants to be the suspect.  That is why he carries a long bag to begin with.  You can't have it both ways suggesting Oswald was voluntarily taking actions to give the appearance of being the attempted assassin but suggesting he didn't want to act suspiciously.  If Oswald is complicit in his own frame up, as you stupidly suggest, there is no reason for all this subterfuge with curtain rods etc.  It's a simple and obvious point.  If you want to advocate this science fiction narrative, then accept the evidence that Oswald carried a long bag that contained the rifle.