BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963

[John Iacoletti]

Which CTers argue that? Are you suggesting we all do?

Nobody argues that. This is ?Richard??s usual strawman BS.

Frazier saw Oswald carry a bag. That doesn?t mean that bag was ever taken into the TSBD. And it certainly doesn?t mean that bag was CE142.

[John Iacoletti]

The fact that no other bag was found in the TSBD that would fit the description and circumstances as described by LMR and BWF.

Who says the bag seen by Frazier or Randle was ever in the TSBD?

Harold Norman?s lunch bag was not found in the TSBD either. Does that mean he didn?t have one?

[Oscar Navarro]

Ah, so you realise you misspoke! A teachable moment, eh? 

Now! The 'meaning' is not 'the same'. Why else would Mr Shelley himself, in his testimony, undermine the notion that the bag relates to the chicken sandwich which Mr Givens has assured him he ate that morning?

And where is your evidence that Mr Shelley associated the bag-with-the-chicken-bones with Mr Oswald? Or were you just making that bit up?

Where do I say that Shelley associated the chicken lunch bag with Oswald? How about answering my questions.

[Oscar Navarro]

Who says the bag seen by Frazier or Randle was ever in the TSBD?

Harold Norman?s lunch bag was not found in the TSBD either. Does that mean he didn?t have one?

The evidence says so.

[Martin Weidmann]

The fact that no other bag was found in the TSBD that would fit the description and circumstances as described by LMR and BWF.

So, it's nothing more than assumption?.

First of all, there is no record of the TSBD being searched for other bags. Secondly, the bag allegedly found at the SN did not match the description given by BWF and thirdly, the SN bag was shown to Frazier on Friday evening, while he was being polygraphed, and he instantly denied it was the bag he had seen Oswald carry.

Try dealing with known facts instead of assumption for once!

[Bill Chapman]

Mr Jack Dougherty to the Warren Commission:

Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.

 

That went nowhere

[Walt Cakebread]

Both LMR and BWF saw Oswald carry a large bag that morning and the bag was found in the SN so there is a basis for fact.

Both LMR and BWF saw Oswald carry a large bag that morning and the bag was found in the SN so there is a basis for fact.

"Both LMR and BWF saw Oswald carry a large bag that morning"    Yes that what they said....And they both said the bag they saw Lee carry was about 27 inches long...   That Mr Navaroo is 3/4 of a foot too short to conceal a 36 inch rifle.

"and the bag was found in the SN so there is a basis for fact."

The FACT is....The bag that was ALLEGEDLY found in the SE corner of the sixth floor was DEFINITELY NOT the bag that Frazier saw Lee carry that morning...And he told the DPD interrogators that the bag that they were showing him was NOT the bag that Lee was carrying that morning.

[Bill Chapman]

So, it's nothing more than assumption?.

First of all, there is no record of the TSBD being searched for other bags.
>>> Dang it! The DPD should have instantly put out an APB for suspicious looking, rifle-sized paper bags (with the caution that they may still be armed) 

Secondly, the bag allegedly found at the SN did not match the description given by BWF
>>> You're assuming Frazier was being truthful. Frazier, the guy who drove the (eventual) prime suspect to the (eventual) scene of the crime.

and thirdly, the SN bag was shown to Frazier on Friday evening, while he was being polygraphed, and he instantly denied it was the bag he had seen Oswald carry.
>>> Yep. Seems he didn't see Oswald with a darkened bag