BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963

[John Iacoletti]

"Oh they showed him the bag numerous times and yet, till this day, he still denies that it was the bag Oswald carried."

>>> Yep. The guy who drove the (eventual) prime suspect to the (eventual) scene of the crime. The guy who lost a job and suffered harassment from the genpop because of his involvement with the (eventual) prime suspect. The guy who said he didn't want to be remembered as ? wait for it ? the guy who drove the (eventual) prime suspect to the (eventual) scene of the crime. The guy who had only seen Oswald carrying the bag from behind. The bag that only exposed a sliver of the Buell-estimated 27" long bag carried by the 5'9" (eventual) prime suspect who must have been a knuckle-dragger to have been able to fit that size under his armpit. The (eventual) prime suspect who,seemed to have found it more efficient to carry said bag in a more exposed position less than an hour earlier that very morning.

Is this your long-winded way of saying that there is no evidence that CE 142 was the package that Frazier saw?

[Bill Chapman]

Is this your long-winded way of saying that there is no evidence that CE 142 was the package that Frazier saw?

Uh, no

[Bill Chapman]

Yeah, that guy? the guy who saw the package lying on the backseat of his car, the guy who saw Oswald putting the package in the cup of his hand and under his shoulder, the guy who, on Friday evening, only hours after the murder, denied that the bag shown to him was the same as the bag he had seen, the same guy Captain Fritz tried to beat a false confession out of. And oh yeah, the same guy, who despite all the problems in life he experienced due to his involvement in this mess still says to this day that the bag they showed him wasn't the one Oswald carried.

>>> Yep, that guy. The one who said he didn't want to be remembered as the guy who drove the prime suspect to work and was smart enough to stick to an estimate that would put him in an innocent light. You don't seem to understand that agreeing with the WC size would bring all hell down on him. He would get the opposite result of that which he says he wanted. Duh.

And the bag he was initially shown him that you said he 'instantly' denied as the bag he saw... well, Buell had the habit of not really paying attention to the package, now didn't he?

Oh, before I forget, This: "The guy who had only seen Oswald carrying the bag from behind." is a lie. When you need to lie to make a point, you've already lost the argument!
>>> Point out where Buell said he saw Oswald from the front while he (Oswald) was carrying the bag. Or are you assuming Oswald turned full frontal to Buell while briefly waiting for him at the fence, and the back door..

Stop lying. Randle never said that the bag looked long enough to contain a rifle.
>>> Where am I lying. I can only source what any given witness said. Maybe you should be calling Randle the liar for saying the bag she saw "could" have contained a rifle. By all reports it seems Randle was inconsistent with these estimations...which arguably could have been influenced by the realization that she would be seen as the sister of the guy who drove the prime suspect to the scene.

You are in the habit of bringing up stuff you disagree with? Well, that's good to know
>>> LOL.. did you just have a stroke, Barrister?  Everybody here brings up stuff they don't agree with hahaha

Indeed, bad luck for Oswald as it stopped any fair investigation dead in it's tracks
>>> Uh, no... bad luck for Oswald that his prints were found on the rifle, gun bag, and the topmost window box pointing straight down Broadway.

[John Iacoletti]

>>> Yep, that guy. The one who said he didn't want to be remembered as the guy who drove the prime suspect to work and was smart enough to stick to an estimate that would put him in an innocent light. You don't seem to understand that agreeing with the WC size would bring all hell down on him. He would get the opposite result of that which he says he wanted. Duh.

Is this empty speculation supposed to prove it was the same bag?

>>> Uh, no... bad luck for Oswald that his prints were found on the rifle,

Uh, no. There were some prints near the trigger guard that were useless for identification purposes and a single partial palm print turned up a week later on an index card.

gun bag,

What ?gun bag??

and the topmost window box pointing straight down Broadway.

LOL - you don?t even know what street the TSBD was on.

[Martin Weidmann]

>>> Yep, that guy. The one who said he didn't want to be remembered as the guy who drove the prime suspect to work and was smart enough to stick to an estimate that would put him in an innocent light. You don't seem to understand that agreeing with the WC size would bring all hell down on him. He would get the opposite result of that which he says he wanted. Duh.

And the bag he was initially shown him that you said he 'instantly' denied as the bag he saw... well, Buell had the habit of not really paying attention to the package, now didn't he?

The "I didn't pay much attention" claim came later. On Friday evening he was adamant. Only later did he become more cautious. Besides, the fact that he didn't pay much attention doesn't automatically mean that he was wrong.

You don't seem to understand that agreeing with the WC size would bring all hell down on him.

Even if true, you think this was a consideration on Frazier's mind hours after the murder, when Oswald was still alive in custody and there was no trace of the WC?

Oh, before I forget, This: "The guy who had only seen Oswald carrying the bag from behind." is a lie. When you need to lie to make a point, you've already lost the argument!
>>> Point out where Buell said he saw Oswald from the front while he (Oswald) was carrying the bag. Or are you assuming Oswald turned full frontal to Buell while briefly waiting for him at the fence, and the back door..

He saw Oswald put the bag in the cup of his hand and under his shoulder. Do you foolishly think he saw that from behind? Did Frazier have X-ray vision, perhaps?

Stop lying. Randle never said that the bag looked long enough to contain a rifle.
>>> Where am I lying. I can only source what any given witness said. Maybe you should be calling Randle the liar for saying the bag she saw "could" have contained a rifle. By all reports it seems Randle was inconsistent with these estimations...which arguably could have been influenced by the realization that she would be seen as the sister of the guy who drove the prime suspect to the scene.

Stop rambling and just show us all where Randle ever said that the bag " looked long enough to contain a rifle." Go on then, we're waiting!   

You are in the habit of bringing up stuff you disagree with? Well, that's good to know
>>> LOL.. did you just have a stroke, Barrister?  Everybody here brings up stuff they don't agree with hahaha

Are you on medication? You are using arguments you don't believe in and you think others do that as well? Really?

Indeed, bad luck for Oswald as it stopped any fair investigation dead in it's tracks
>>> Uh, no... bad luck for Oswald that his prints were found on the rifle, gun bag, and the topmost window box pointing straight down Broadway.

Already destroyed by John Iacoletti

[Colin Crow]

So it seems that Shelley was back on the 6th floor before Johnson left with the bones inside the bag at 3pm. He saw the repositioned bones on to of the bag and their final resting place near the third set of windows. Of course we know that a number of officers reported the chicken bones and or bag originally close to the SN.

Just wondering how many bags were fingerprinted in the TSBD that day and by whom? Anyone like to answer?

Any armchair LN experts like to offer something?

[Alan Ford]

Any armchair LN experts like to offer something?

As usual, Mr Crow, they got nothing!

And isn't it funny how the prints on the famous chicken-bone bag were forgotten once they didn't come up a match with Mr Oswald's! 

[Colin Crow]

Was that the bag that Studebaker found a partial? The one carried out by Johnson with the bottle that was also dusted for prints inside the TSBD. At that stage they had no prints to compare it to.