Newman's Into the Storm

[Rob Caprio]

I have been thanked privately by members of the conspiracy community for my work. I wouldn't wish to violate a trust by revealing any names. Anyone can read my articles (or ignore them if they prefer) and decide for themselves if I have debunked anything or not. At this time, I personally consider the theory debunked and have moved to other areas of research. The most common attitude I have encountered among CTs is that they appreciate the work of Armstrong but do not necessarily agree with his thesis of two Oswalds. However, CTs such as Greg Parker, David Lifton and Jeremy Bojczuk have written extensively against the theory.

Not believing something is not the same as debunking something. I don't believe in Armstrong's theory as he presents it, but there is definitely something to the multiple Oswald sightings as there are just too many to ignore or debunk.

I don't endorse David Lifton's theory either. In fact, I don't endorse a lot of the conspiracy theories, but that doesn't mean that I "debunked" them. Most theories, outside of the ridiculous official one, have something of value to offer whether you agree with it or not.

Until I see it I will assume you haven't really debunked anything. I have never understood why CTers attack peoples' theories as none of us know what happened that day since we were given a cover-up instead of an investigation. What harm is someone's theory going to do? The media, government and educational system mock all theories that don't align with the WC's anyway.

I was hoping since you made a claim that you would support it instead of me having to read article after article to find it. I guess not.

[Jerry Freeman]

As to Dulles and the commission, I have no idea what that has to do with Veciana and his claims. Which is what Tracy is focused on.

Has everything to do with protecting the CIA. Even if Veciana was completely full of crap ..it doesn't exonerate the notion that rogue CIA operatives were behind offing JFK.
You can focus on Prancer and disavow his credibility as a flying reindeer and therefore smash the whole idea of a Santa and his sled. A silly analogy? That is what I think about Oswald's supposed trip to Mexico...all alone with no apparent funds or support. 
At least two people came forward and said that he was in Dallas at that time. Either way, someone was handling him.
 

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Has everything to do with protecting the CIA. Even if Veciana was completely full of crap ..it doesn't exonerate the notion that rogue CIA operatives were behind offing JFK.
You can focus on Prancer and disavow his credibility as a flying reindeer and therefore smash the whole idea of a Santa and his sled. A silly analogy? That is what I think about Oswald's supposed trip to Mexico...all alone with no apparent funds or support. 
At least two people came forward and said that he was in Dallas at that time. Either way, someone was handling him.
 

Your anecdote has absolutely nothing - not a thing - to do with Tracy's work investigating Veciana's claims.

The topic is about Antonio Veciana. And his allegations that he worked for the CIA and that, most important, his control officer was David Atlee Phillips and that he, Veciana, saw Oswald with Phillips.

Tracy, along with Newman, have shown, to me, that Veciana's allegations simply cannot be true. Or to be more charitable, there is no evidence for them.

Nothing in Tracy's post/writings has anything to do with Dulles. Nowhere does he claim that his work on Veciana - and only Veciana - disproves your entire "the CIA did it" allegations. He's limited things to one specific claim.

[Jerry Freeman]

  The most common attitude I have encountered among CTs is that they appreciate the work of Armstrong but do not necessarily agree with his thesis of two Oswalds.

There are a few other items which is why most discussion now of Harvey and Lee don't really go anywhere these days.
Mr Armstrong points out some very strange events which he does footnote but then some wild and unsupported conclusions that he doesn't.
I strongly suspect that there was a character involved that impersonated LHO. One point that comes to mind right now is that one of the Davis ladies [at the Tippit scene] testified that the shooter walked casually by and smiled at her. I don't think that Oswald shot that cop anyway..but smiling? That was completely out of character for the established sullen, morose, and usually gloomy Lee.

Your anecdote has absolutely nothing - not a thing - to do with Tracy's work investigating Veciana's claims. The topic is about Antonio Veciana. And his allegations that he worked for the CIA and that, most important, his control officer was David Atlee Phillips and that he, Veciana, saw Oswald with Phillips. Tracy, along with Newman, have shown, to me, that Veciana's allegations simply cannot be true. Or to be more charitable, there is no evidence for them. Nothing in Tracy's post/writings has anything to do with Dulles. Nowhere does he claim that his work on Veciana - and only Veciana - disproves your entire "the CIA did it" allegations. He's limited things to one specific claim.

I believe that Steve is overly outspoken there-1. There is an abundance of threads here on the forum that have gone wildly off topic does he correct these? 2. Just because Mr Bishop wasn't Mr Atlee [and I don't believe that LHO was involved anyway] doesn't mean that a get rid of Kennedy- deep state rogue element of the government intelligence community didn't exist. The analogy is just silly. Look how crooked today's corrupt filled government can be.

[Tom Scully]

Elsewhere, Earlier today:

W. Tracy Parnell - October, 22, 2019

The answer to all of Newman's questions is, of course, the Army. Some might argue about what agency could predict Alpha 66/SNFE operations though, as the FBI also had some very good informants inside those organizations-Godoy of the MRP being one. Why does it matter who Veciana worked for? One reason is that if he really was working for ("with" might be a better way to put it) the Army and not the CIA as he now maintains, what else has he lied about?

https://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=cogswell%20and%20godoy
and
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=38078&relPageId=2&search=cogswell_and%20godoy

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=165216&relPageId=1&search=cogswell_and%20del
 No title, pg 1
Found in: FBI documents released on April 26, 2018
: r: tioned in ":' he details of the enclosed report, it should be noted that this individual has been interviewed on 2 or 3 occasions by the NY0 and COGSWELL
is closely associated with the Movimiento Revolucionario del Pueblo ( MRP ) and closely a ssoc 2. ted with JO. tf ':, UII.
COGSWELL used to reside in Cuba and was closely associated with individuals who eventually formed the MRP COGSWELL : has tried to interest people in New

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=155499&relPageId=103&search=antilles_and%20kail
...DEMOHRENSCHILDT, CIA & ARMY INTELLIGENCE MAY 7, 1963

1. On (Illegible) April 1963 Dorothe Matlack, Domestic Exploitation (Illegible) Army telephoned

to the effect that (deleted) had left Haiti six days earlier and had just arrived (deleted). A friend

of Charles, named Joseph Dryer, West Palm Beach, Florida, had written to General Delmar,

former (Illegible) Antilles Command recommending Charles as a man of great interest to the U.

S. Government in view of the (Illegible) in Haiti. Charles was described as President of the

Bank Commerciale, Port-au-Prince, Haiti, who is in President Duvalier's favor. Mrs. Matlack

mentioned that she had already alerted Col. Sam Kail in Miami to contact Dryer in order to

obtain more background information and an (Illegible) (deleted).

1. Our Man in Haiti: George de Mohrenschildt and the CIA in the Nightmare Republic, pg 96
http://books.google.com....
Kail now worked for Justin F.
Kail conducted debriefings at the " Caribbean Admission Center :' When Kail garnered a " live one ;' he would turn him over to CIA's Miami station, JMW
Once Fitch was on board, Major Major General Roland Haddaway Del Mar, formerly of the Antilles Command, and director of the Inter-American Defense College

I probably know as much about Cogswell as anybody.... I followed the money. "Who's zoomin' who?"

It seems the WC could be described as investigating itself, see McCloy and Dulles. W.B. Macomber was executive assistant to Foster Dulles after being a CIA agent
and then a key aide to WC's Sen. John Sherman Cooper, Bonesman '22, whose wife had been married to Robert McAdoo.

Lorraine Cooper, Wife of Senator, Dies - Los Angeles Times
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-02-07-me-5298-story.html
Feb 7, 1985 - John Sherman Cooper of Kentucky and a prominent Washington hostess, has ... She was first married to Robert McAdoo, son of William Gibbs McAdoo ...

George de Mohrenschildt - History Matters
https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol12/pdf/HSCA_Vol12_deMohren.pdf
by N Congress - ‎1979
Appendix : Manuscript by George de Mohrenschildt, "I am a Patsy! I am a Patsy!"--. 69 ...... According to Cogswell, he ran into Joseph Dryer, who is a stockbroker.

After discovering that Tom Devine and Dryer's brother, Peter were classmates from K - 9 grades, I emailed
author Joan Mellen.:

The China Diary of George H. W. Bush: The Making of a Global ...
https://books.google.com....
Jeffrey A. Engel - 2011 - ‎History
Bemis, Lias and Devine had a meeting regarding my political future—very thoughtful of them.5 All I know now is to do the best job one can here. There is no ...

Macomber was Devine's best man, Bemis is the guy Billy Joe Lord complained to President Carter about!

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2087.msg56118.html#msg56118
WCer John McCloy, representing the Rockefeller family + Dean Mathey Empire Chrmn
« by Tom Scully on June 30, 2019, 08:55:44 PM »
...... .org/showDoc.html?docId=38109&relPageId=2&search=leslie_and%20cogswell   A 1961 dated document.: Quote   ............ ://paw.princeton.edu/memorial/charles-leslie-rice-jr-?41 Les Rice died Feb. 11, 1997, in Red

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1940.msg52663.html#msg52663

George O. Walbridge, the best man in Cogswell's 1953 wedding to first cousin of Will Farish, III.

.......

In 1953, Cogswell, III marries for a second time, to Joan Farish, daughter of Stephen Power Farish, uncle of Bush friend, Will Farish III. Cogswell's best man was George O. Walbridge, 2d.

Walbridge turns up in a 1955 newspaper photo, standing in Havana, next to his boss, Lem Billings of Emerson Drug Co., and the former Cuban dictator Prio's former press secretary.


It turns out that both Lem Bilings and Walbridge are very close to, and employed by the grandson of the Emerson Drug Co. founder, who also is the nephew by the marriage of Nina McaDoo TO George DeM's late uncle, Ferdinand DeMohrenschildt.

Later reports, including by the HSCA, are that Cogswell, III worked for the CIA, raised money to finance at least one plot to assassinate Castro, knew and socialized with George DeM. and with DeM's other contact, Joseph F. Dryer, was a friend of AMRAZZ-1, aka Joaquin Godoy, and with Antonio Veciana, and had an only sister, Theodora, described in an HSCA report as being acquainted with "Livingston" aka Mitchell Werbell.

......