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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: How to frame Oswald?
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2019, 06:42:14 PM »
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I would say that Agent Smith has a flair for dramatics....but he doesn't.

Indeed.... hyperbole and strawman arguments are more his game.

But to some extend completely understandable as it lines up perfectly with the LN strategy of presenting anything else but 'Oswald did it alone' as an absurdity by blowing the whole thing out of all proportions.

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Re: How to frame Oswald?
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2019, 07:05:48 PM »
There are some weaknesses in lining up a bunch of facts to show how impossible it would have been for the framesters to put it all together.

If LHO was framed, why do we have to sign on to the argument that he was framed to shoot JFK from the TSBD?  Maybe LHO was being groomed/framed to shoot JFK (or someone else) from a location unknown to us?  Then, his hiring at the TSBD would be a fortuitous circumstance which is exactly what the LNs claim it was in the first place. 

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: How to frame Oswald?
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2019, 07:06:25 PM »
Indeed.... hyperbole and strawman arguments are more his game.

But to some extend completely understandable as it lines up perfectly with the LN strategy of presenting anything else but 'Oswald did it alone' as an absurdity by blowing the whole thing out of all proportions.

All you lot have to do is prove that even one person other than your shooter(s) knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day.

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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: How to frame Oswald?
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2019, 07:16:11 PM »

My problem with the pre event set up of Oswald is the MC riifle with misaligned scope. The only way to really explain that is to suggest the conpirators, haviing waited until the very last night, of Thursday night in the middle of the night, to steal the rifle, thus having not much time to test fire it, and thus realize the scope was wildly off in the elevation, without the shim undere the mount to correct for that.

This presumes of course that Oswald actually DID order the riifle, and the FBI and or CIA knew he had the rifle, possibly thru information from Georger DeMorhenschildt, and or Mrs Paine who imo,were very likely CIA "assets" at the least, and had been assigned to observer Oswald as a potential USSR spy returning to USA with another potential USSR spy, his wife, Marinna. The rifle may have been actually used by Oswald to shoot one shot at Walker, and once that became known, probably by DeMorhenshildt, that's when the pre set up really begins.


If this is the correct scenario, then the reason not to have stolen the rifle from Oswald, until that VERY NIGHT, or in the very early hours of Friday morning, was to minimize the risk that Oswald would discover his rifle missing. This applies to his boarding house as well, which is also where Oswald may have kept his rifle instead of in the Paines garage.


Perhaps the reason for Oswald to be wishing to return to his boarding room after the shooting, apparently asap, is that it was to check to see if his worst suspicion were true, that his rifle may have been stolen. Upon finding that to be true, is why aOSwald DEPARTED in haste, from his boarding room, with a revolver, and his original destination may have been towards Jack Rubys house, rather than the Texas Theater.



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Re: How to frame Oswald?
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2019, 07:38:35 PM »
All you lot have to do is prove that even one person other than your shooter(s) knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day.

'' you lot''  LOL


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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: How to frame Oswald?
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2019, 07:53:02 PM »
There are some weaknesses in lining up a bunch of facts to show how impossible it would have been for the framesters to put it all together.

If LHO was framed, why do we have to sign on to the argument that he was framed to shoot JFK from the TSBD?  Maybe LHO was being groomed/framed to shoot JFK (or someone else) from a location unknown to us?  Then, his hiring at the TSBD would be a fortuitous circumstance which is exactly what the LNs claim it was in the first place.

There are some weaknesses in lining up a bunch of facts to show how impossible it would have been for the framesters to put it all together. 

Indeed.

If LHO was framed, why do we have to sign on to the argument that he was framed to shoot JFK from the TSBD?

We don't. Or at least, I don't.

Maybe LHO was being groomed/framed to shoot JFK (or someone else) from a location unknown to us? 

Could be?. but, if we speculate further, there may well not have been a specific mark in play at the time of the rifle purchase.

Then, his hiring at the TSBD would be a fortuitous circumstance which is exactly what the LNs claim it was in the first place.

It's possible

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: How to frame Oswald?
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2019, 08:01:35 PM »
Martin running from the facts.

This could have some meaning if you only had a basic understanding of what a fact really is. Since you don't, there isn't much more to say.

Here's my 'basic understanding' of this particular fact: You lot yet have to prove that anyone other than the shooter(s) knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day.

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Re: How to frame Oswald?
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2019, 08:06:00 PM »
My problem with the pre event set up of Oswald is the MC riifle with misaligned scope. The only way to really explain that is to suggest the conpirators, haviing waited until the very last night, of Thursday night in the middle of the night, to steal the rifle, thus having not much time to test fire it, and thus realize the scope was wildly off in the elevation, without the shim undere the mount to correct for that.

This presumes of course that Oswald actually DID order the riifle, and the FBI and or CIA knew he had the rifle, possibly thru information from Georger DeMorhenschildt, and or Mrs Paine who imo,were very likely CIA "assets" at the least, and had been assigned to observer Oswald as a potential USSR spy returning to USA with another potential USSR spy, his wife, Marinna. The rifle may have been actually used by Oswald to shoot one shot at Walker, and once that became known, probably by DeMorhenshildt, that's when the pre set up really begins.

If this is the correct scenario, then the reason not to have stolen the rifle from Oswald, until that VERY NIGHT, or in the very early hours of Friday morning, was to minimize the risk that Oswald would discover his rifle missing. This applies to his boarding house as well, which is also where Oswald may have kept his rifle instead of in the Paines garage.

Perhaps the reason for Oswald to be wishing to return to his boarding room after the shooting, apparently asap, is that it was to check to see if his worst suspicion were true, that his rifle may have been stolen. Upon finding that to be true, is why aOSwald DEPARTED in haste, from his boarding room, with a revolver, and his original destination may have been towards Jack Rubys house, rather than the Texas Theater.


Zeon,

The only evidence to link the MC rifle found at the TSBD to Oswald is a micro film photo copy of an order form. The only evidence to link the rifle to the killing of Kennedy are the bullet C399 (which has no credible chain of custody) and some bullet fragments allegedly found in the limo at the Secret Service garage in Washington by unauthorised personal (who had no business searching the car) and subsequently given to the FBI agents who came to examine the car.

With this in mind, I'm not even convinced that C2766 was fired at all on 11/22/63.


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