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Offline Pat Speer

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Re: A straight line
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2018, 06:50:27 AM »
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This CT legend began with a simple presentation (above) by the HSCA. The wounds through the neck were established using Clyde Snow's anatomical-positioning method; the center profile among the three head outlines seem to be the nearest to Snow's anatomical-position. Baden showed the transit angle changed as the torso changed, settling on the rightmost outline as the wounding position ("the position of the President at the time the missile struck.")

This "wounding position" is shown in the sketch on the left side of JFK F-46. Unfortunately the artist didn't re-orientate the head to vertical, and so a new legend grew out of this, that the HSCA neck transit could only work if the head was tilted forward as shown by the sketch.




The HSCA must have thought readers would be smart enough to realize that when the torso angle at "wounding position" was established then it followed that the head would have to be vertical as in life. But I've seen some doctors on the CT side who couldn't get this.



The HSCA clearly thought the head was at vertical and the neck transit was downward during the wounding. They portrayed it as such in a trajectory drawing.

Uhh, no. The HSCA Forensic Pathology Panel was at cross-purposes with its trajectory expert.

The FPP concluded the bullet rose within Kennedy's body, but that he was leaning sharply forward when struck. Their exhibits depict this lean.

Blakey went behind their backs and hired a trajectory expert, however. He even gave this expert, Thomas Canning, the authority to move the wounds if he wanted to. So he did.

As a consequence, Canning's exhibits show a bullet impacting at the base of the neck, two inches higher than the Pathology Panel placed the wound. Canning also made up some mumbo-jumbo about Kennedy leaning forward when shot in the back, and then sitting up in his seat before getting shot in the head. This was to hide that neither of the trajectories proposed by the HSCA (back to throat at 190, and cowlick to coronal suture at 313) made any sense when one studied the Zapruder film.

This, to me, was an absolute disgrace... And yes, I talked to Blakey about this at the 2014 Bethesda conference. He feigned interest and gave me his email address. But never responded.

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Re: A straight line
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2018, 04:03:12 PM »


"Err" Dummkopf, you're applying a ca. Z225 slope to the HSCA's drawing that shows the car at Z190, the place they assigned the second shot based largely on the (faulty) acoustic analysis. The big circle represents the margin-of-error, meaning the shot could have originated anywhere within the circle.



Here's the HSCA drawing amended by me:





WIPE THE CHERRY JUICE FROM YOUR CHIN

Enough with your Cherry Picking.
STOP siding with the HSCA whenever it suits your fancy and then throwing them to the dogs when it does Not.

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Re: A straight line
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2018, 04:19:57 PM »
                                                           
                                                           SITCOM WORTHY MATERIAL

         Lt. Day should have Never left CSI Green Horn Studebaker alone in the TSBD. This is like leaving Gomer Pyle in charge of the Ammo Dump.

Lt J.C. Day was no Dick Tracy.....   He was more like Trick Dacy...and didn't even know the difference between a bolt action rifle and a lever action rifle...

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« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2018, 05:34:12 PM »
Lt J.C. Day was no Dick Tracy.....   He was more like Trick Dacy...and didn't even know the difference between a bolt action rifle and a lever action rifle...

                   
Or a Mauser vs a Carcano ???

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Re: A straight line
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2018, 10:00:26 PM »



Different Limo!

TRY AGAIN!!!



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Specter had Thomas Kelley testify regarding the adjustments made on May 24, 1964, to assure the stand-ins were in the same alignment as Kennedy and Connally.

Mr. SPECTER. And what adjustment was made, if any, so that the relative positions of those two men were the same as the positioning of President Kennedy and Governor Connally on November 22, 1963?
Mr. KELLEY. The officials at Hess Eisenhardt, who have the original plans of the President's car, conducted a test to ascertain how high from the ground a person 72 1/2 inches would be seated in this car before its modification. And

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it was ascertained that the person would be 52.78 inches from the ground--that is, taking into consideration the flexion of the tires, the flexion of the cushions that were on the car at the time.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say 52.78 inches, which individual would that be?
Mr. KELLEY. That would be the President.
Mr. SPECTER. And what part of his body?
Mr. KELLEY. The top of the head would be 52.78 inches from the ground. When Mr. Anderton was placed in the followup car, it was found that the top of his head was 62 inches from the ground. There was an adjustment made so that there would be--- the stand-in for Governor Connally would be in relatively the same position, taking into consideration the 3-inch difference in the jump seat and the 2-inch difference in his height.
Mr. SPECTER. Considering the 3-inch difference in the jump seat--and I believe it would be an inch and a half difference in height between President Kennedy and Governor Connally--how much higher, then, approximately, was President Kennedy sitting than the Governor on November 22?
Mr. KELLEY. I am not----
Mr. SPECTER. Would the President have been about an inch and half higher than the Governor on the day of the assassination?
Mr. KELLEY. The day of the assassination, yes.
Mr. SPECTER. And were----
The CHAIRMAN. Wouldn't the height of these men depend upon the length of their torso?
Mr. KELLEY. Well----
The CHAIRMAN. You have some people who are shortwaisted, some people who are longwaisted. I don't know which either of these men were who were of the same height. But I know there is a lot of difference in men. We sometimes see the--a man who looks large sitting down, when he stands up he is small, because he has a long torso, and vice versa.
Mr. KELLEY. Of course the relative positions are apparent from the films that were taken at the time of the assassination. It would be, of course, that judgment---and it would have to be a judgment. But I think the films indicate there was just about that much difference in their height when both were seated.
Mr. SPECTER. Inspector Kelley, I hand you a photograph marked as Commission Exhibit No. 697, which has heretofore been admitted into evidence, and identified by Governor Connally as depicting the President and the Governor as they rode in the motorcade on the day of the assassination, and I ask you if the stand-ins for the President and the Governor were seated in approximately the same relative positions on the reconstruction on May 24.
Mr. KELLEY. Yes., sir; in my judgment that is very close.

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Re: A straight line
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2018, 11:32:08 PM »
Specter had Thomas Kelley testify regarding the adjustments made on May 24, 1964, to assure the stand-ins were in the same alignment as Kennedy and Connally.

Mr. SPECTER. And what adjustment was made, if any, so that the relative positions of those two men were the same as the positioning of President Kennedy and Governor Connally on November 22, 1963?
Mr. KELLEY. The officials at Hess Eisenhardt, who have the original plans of the President's car, conducted a test to ascertain how high from the ground a person 72 1/2 inches would be seated in this car before its modification. And

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it was ascertained that the person would be 52.78 inches from the ground--that is, taking into consideration the flexion of the tires, the flexion of the cushions that were on the car at the time.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say 52.78 inches, which individual would that be?
Mr. KELLEY. That would be the President.
Mr. SPECTER. And what part of his body?
Mr. KELLEY. The top of the head would be 52.78 inches from the ground. When Mr. Anderton was placed in the followup car, it was found that the top of his head was 62 inches from the ground. There was an adjustment made so that there would be--- the stand-in for Governor Connally would be in relatively the same position, taking into consideration the 3-inch difference in the jump seat and the 2-inch difference in his height.
Mr. SPECTER. Considering the 3-inch difference in the jump seat--and I believe it would be an inch and a half difference in height between President Kennedy and Governor Connally--how much higher, then, approximately, was President Kennedy sitting than the Governor on November 22?
Mr. KELLEY. I am not----
Mr. SPECTER. Would the President have been about an inch and half higher than the Governor on the day of the assassination?
Mr. KELLEY. The day of the assassination, yes.
Mr. SPECTER. And were----
The CHAIRMAN. Wouldn't the height of these men depend upon the length of their torso?
Mr. KELLEY. Well----
The CHAIRMAN. You have some people who are shortwaisted, some people who are longwaisted. I don't know which either of these men were who were of the same height. But I know there is a lot of difference in men. We sometimes see the--a man who looks large sitting down, when he stands up he is small, because he has a long torso, and vice versa.
Mr. KELLEY. Of course the relative positions are apparent from the films that were taken at the time of the assassination. It would be, of course, that judgment---and it would have to be a judgment. But I think the films indicate there was just about that much difference in their height when both were seated.
Mr. SPECTER. Inspector Kelley, I hand you a photograph marked as Commission Exhibit No. 697, which has heretofore been admitted into evidence, and identified by Governor Connally as depicting the President and the Governor as they rode in the motorcade on the day of the assassination, and I ask you if the stand-ins for the President and the Governor were seated in approximately the same relative positions on the reconstruction on May 24.
Mr. KELLEY. Yes., sir; in my judgment that is very close.


Thanks Pat under the circumstances they did an admirable job but there was a few details that needed precision...

The CHAIRMAN. Wouldn't the height of these men depend upon the length of their torso?
Mr. KELLEY. Well----


.....because without those exact measurements and positions, they ended up with a scenario which is close but for further analysis requires a certain amount of predictable correction.





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Re: A straight line
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2018, 12:53:40 AM »
DEFINITION OF TERMS
                                           
"predictable correction" = SPECULATION = SBT

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Re: A straight line
« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2018, 01:48:35 AM »

                                                   DEFINITION OF TERMS
                                           
                                       "predictable correction" = SPECULATION = SBT




Glad to SEE YOU back and CAPITALIZING words at RANDOM!

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"predictable correction" = SPECULATION = SBT

speculation
ˌspɛkjʊˈleɪʃn/Submit
noun
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.


Sorry Storing but the following comparison GIF is not a theory but is firm evidence that you can see with your own two eyes and when we focus on Kennedy and his stand in from Zapruder's position we can calculate where Connally was seated.



Using the above information, from Oswald's view we can see that the SS had Connally too high.





And to top it off, at this exact moment in time when the two men were precisely lined up we see a violent simultaneous reaction. What's left to argue?





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