A straight line

[Andrew Mason]

Can you prove that Oswald owned that rifle?  Or that that specific rifle is the one in the backyard photos?  That's LN logic.  Make up conclusions that you can't prove and state them as facts.  It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to convict Oswald.

It is really not essential to the case that Oswald owned the gun. If the ownership of gun found on the 6th floor could not be tied to Oswald (ie. suppose Klein's had a fire and lost all its records), the case would not fall apart.  In any event, one does not have to prove all facts separately beyond a reasonable doubt in order to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Having said that, proof" is accomplished by persuading a trier of fact that the evidence meets the standard of proof. That's all. The evidence may not persuade you. But I would venture to say that if you picked any jury and asked them, based on the evidence, whether it had been proven that Oswald owned the gun, they would find that it had.

[Jack Trojan]

Just to remind the LNers, re the simple, cheap experiment that will convince them of the path of the MB thru JFK.

Here is what you need: 2 cheap leveling lasers (2 x $20), a protractor to set the angle of trajectory and a camera tripod. That's it! Set it all up as shown below:



With the 2 lasers pointed at one another, sit in the chair so that the low laser strikes your throat at C6. Does the high laser strike your back at T1? No? Bend forward so that it does. How bent forward are you? Was JFK bent forward to the same degree?  The lasers simulate the bullet's straight line trajectory thru your body. To my knowledge no one has formally done this simple experiment which anyone can do, which renders all the CGI models moot. No one buys CAD drawings, but who can deny a deadly accurate re-enactment?

Good luck!

ps why haven't any of the LNers posted their results showing the MB did indeed enter JFK at T1 and exit at C6 showing the MB was feasible? (rhetorical)

[Tim Nickerson]

Just to remind the LNers, re the simple, cheap experiment that will convince them of the path of the MB thru JFK.

ps why haven't any of the LNers posted their results showing the MB did indeed enter JFK at T1 and exit at C6 showing the MB was feasible? (rhetorical)

Why would any LNs try to show that the Single Bullet entered at T1 and exited at C6?

[Wesley Johnson]

I borrowed this photo from another thread.



Just above the box in the window there are three cars in three lanes....

The car in the center lane seems to be in roughly the same position where JFK's limo was when the shots were fired.

How does a bullet fired from this window and travelling in a straight downward line, passing through Kennedy's back and throat, end up hitting Connally?

Any suggestions?

Thank you for posting this photo Martin. Can I borrow it? Oh, I'll just go ahead and make my observation. I would like someone (CT's) to look at the center car and tell me where a shooter could have been out in front of it. Many CT's (most) claim that a shot went through the front windshield and struck the president in the throat. Where was that shooter?

[Martin Weidmann]

Thank you for posting this photo Martin. Can I borrow it? Oh, I'll just go ahead and make my observation. I would like someone (CT's) to look at the center car and tell me where a shooter could have been out in front of it. Many CT's (most) claim that a shot went through the front windshield and struck the president in the throat. Where was that shooter?

For what it is worth....See the truck in the background? The one that just passed the triple underpass going into town? During the shooting there was a flatbed truck parked there (it can be seem in Zapruder's frame 410) and that location lines up near perfect in a straight line with the limo coming down Elm street. A photo taken from the grass next to where Zapruder stood (I believe Dillard took it), just after the shooting, shows a man by the truck who wasn't there seconds earlier in frame 410. Shortly after that the truck disappeared. Somebody did not hang around DP in the aftermath of the shooting.....

[Wesley Johnson]

For what it is worth....See the truck in the background? The one that just passed the triple underpass going into town? During the shooting there was a flatbed truck parked there (it can be seem in Zapruder's frame 410) and that location lines up near perfect in a straight line with the limo coming down Elm street. A photo taken from the grass next to where Zapruder stood (I believe Dillard took it), just after the shooting, shows a man by the truck that wasn't there in frame 410. Shortly after that the truck disappeared. Somebody did not hang around DP in the aftermath of the shooting.....

Are you saying there was a shooter there? You are aware that there were two policemen and several workers on top of the triple underpass? None of them reported hearing a shot come from there.

[Martin Weidmann]

Are you saying there was a shooter there? You are aware that there were two policemen and several workers on top of the triple underpass? None of them reported hearing a shot come from there.

No, I am answering your question about where a shooter could have been. That's what you wanted to know, right?

There is in fact photographic evidence of the flatbed truck being there one moment and gone the next and the location lines up with the limo in Altgens 6.

The fact that some people on top of the triple underpass did not see a possible shooter doesn't mean he wasn't or couldn't have been there. Let's not forget that the witnesses were looking at the limo coming down Elm street...

[Wesley Johnson]

No, I am answering your question about where a shooter could have been. That's what you wanted to know, right?

There is in fact photographic evidence of the flatbed truck being there one moment and gone the next and the location lines up with the limo in Altgens 6.

The fact that some people on top of the triple underpass did not see a possible shooter doesn't mean he wasn't or couldn't have been there. Let's not forget that the witnesses were looking at the limo coming down Elm street...

Fair enough Martin. There are other issues of a shot through the windshield. Maybe we can discuss them later. Thanks.