Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald

[Walt Cakebread]

taking note that the brick column just to the right of the north edge of the window. The map shows us that that brick column was at 13 feet from the north wall
The north edge of the window is 15 feet from the north wall.......

Since i'm getting no feed back, I can only hope that I'm making myself clear.    The point is:....The rifle was found laying on the floor 15 feet 4 inches from the north wall.  It was NOT found where the official in situ photos depict it.     This not speculation ...it is a provable fact.   which is substantiated by Tom Alyea's video which shows Detective Day grab the leather sling of the rifle and hoist it from the floor.   

The photo ( upper left -below) was taken by Detective Studebaker after the rifle was removed .....At the time the rifle was discovered, the boxes were NOT stacked as they are seen in the photo.

[Jon Banks]

Until your proof of a frame-up shows up, I'll continue to deal with those who claim a frontal assault.

Witnesses who gave evidence supporting shots fired from the front were discredited or ignored.

Dan Rather lied in his description of the headshot ("forward with considerable violence")

I don't think the Zapruder film was expected to be viewed by the public.

[Walt Cakebread]

Rightly-or-wrongly, the map (which is the only thing I have to go by) shows the majority of the wooden posts (that go east-to-west from the rifle location) centered on the 13-foot mark from the north wall. Maybe someone at the museum could go measure it.



The arrowed boxes above are not where the rifle was located, but they appear to be a bit south of the box by the wooden post. The tall stack (it has the label "Looking West" on it in the graphic above) was to the east of the rifle location and it seems to be further south of the box by the wooden post and maybe the arrowed boxes in between.

Where the rifle lay on the floor appears to be in the 15 to 15 1/2 foot range.

Sort of. But the row of boxes veered towards the southwest. The box that is beside the wooden post is not even in line with the south side of the post. There's a gap.

There a box (which I labelled "E") that's as long as those in the tall stack. It seem to be short in DP #12 because of perspective.

So Boone thought the rifle was underneath a pallet?

Where the rifle lay on the floor appears to be in the 15 to 15 1/2 foot range.

Yes you're right....And thank you for being honest.   Studebaker said the rifle was 15 feet 4 inches from the north wall....


If you look closely you'll notice that Studebaker wrote the word "Gun" twice....and one of the inscriptions is not very visible.   and it is in a slightly different spot than the more legible "Gun"...  The less visible "Gun" seems to be a bit further from the north wall than 15 feet 4 inches.

[Walt Cakebread]

Where the rifle lay on the floor appears to be in the 15 to 15 1/2 foot range.

Yes you're right....And thank you for being honest.   Studebaker said the rifle was 15 feet 4 inches from the north wall....


If you look closely you'll notice that Studebaker wrote the word "Gun" twice....and one of the inscriptions is not very visible.   and it is in a slightly different spot than the more legible "Gun"...  The less visible "Gun" seems to be a bit further from the north wall than 15 feet 4 inches.

Bottom line:.... Lee Oswald DID NOT dash by this site and hastily dump a rifle .......The rifle could not have been hidden beneath that wooden pallet after the shooting and before Officer Marrion Baker and Roy truly arrived on the sixth floor.... That rifle was already hidden there BEFORE the shooting....

[Zeon Mason]

Mr. WEITZMAN - After that, we entered the building and started to search floor to floor and we started on the first floor, second floor, third floor and on up, when we got up to the fifth or sixth floor, I forget, I believe it was the sixth floor, the chief deputy or whoever was in charge of the floor, I forget the officer's name, from the sheriff's office, said he wanted that floor torn apart. He wanted that gun and it was there somewhere, so myself and another officer from the sheriff's department, I can't remember his name, he and I proceeded until we----
Mr. BALL - Was his name Boone?
Mr. WEITZMAN - That is correct, Boone and I, and as he was looking over the rear section of the building, I would say the northwest corner, I was on the floor looking under the flat at the same time he was looking on the top side and we saw the gun, I would say, simultaneously and I said, "There it is" and he started hollering, "We got it." It was covered with boxes. It was well protected as far as the naked eye because I would venture to say eight or nine of us stumbled over that gun a couple times before we thoroughly searched the building.


Imo, this statement from Weitzman implies  he was looking THROUGH the open space under the pallet of boxes ("the flat"), and that's why he saw the rifle on the floor on the south side of row of boxes  that Boone was leaning over, hence both of them seeing the rifle about the same time.

Apparently some 8 or 9 people passed by that gap between the pallet of boxes and the wall of boxes closest to the staircase, and did not see the rifle. Weitzman suggests it was "covered with boxes" and was "well protected"

[John Iacoletti]

Mr. WEITZMAN - After that, we entered the building and started to search floor to floor and we started on the first floor, second floor, third floor and on up, when we got up to the fifth or sixth floor, I forget, I believe it was the sixth floor, the chief deputy or whoever was in charge of the floor, I forget the officer's name, from the sheriff's office, said he wanted that floor torn apart. He wanted that gun and it was there somewhere,

...and how exactly did he know that a gun was there somewhere?

[Walt Cakebread]

Mr. WEITZMAN - After that, we entered the building and started to search floor to floor and we started on the first floor, second floor, third floor and on up, when we got up to the fifth or sixth floor, I forget, I believe it was the sixth floor, the chief deputy or whoever was in charge of the floor, I forget the officer's name, from the sheriff's office, said he wanted that floor torn apart. He wanted that gun and it was there somewhere, so myself and another officer from the sheriff's department, I can't remember his name, he and I proceeded until we----
Mr. BALL - Was his name Boone?
Mr. WEITZMAN - That is correct, Boone and I, and as he was looking over the rear section of the building, I would say the northwest corner, I was on the floor looking under the flat at the same time he was looking on the top side and we saw the gun, I would say, simultaneously and I said, "There it is" and he started hollering, "We got it." It was covered with boxes. It was well protected as far as the naked eye because I would venture to say eight or nine of us stumbled over that gun a couple times before we thoroughly searched the building.


Imo, this statement from Weitzman implies  he was looking THROUGH the open space under the pallet of boxes ("the flat"), and that's why he saw the rifle on the floor on the south side of row of boxes  that Boone was leaning over, hence both of them seeing the rifle about the same time.

Apparently some 8 or 9 people passed by that gap between the pallet of boxes and the wall of boxes closest to the staircase, and did not see the rifle. Weitzman suggests it was "covered with boxes" and was "well protected"

Mr. BALL - Was his name Boone?
Mr. WEITZMAN - That is correct, Boone and I, and as he was looking over the rear section of the building, I would say the northwest corner, I was on the floor looking under the flat at the same time he was looking on the top side and we saw the gun, I would say, simultaneously and I said, "There it is" and he started hollering, "We got it." It was covered with boxes. It was well protected as far as the naked eye because I would venture to say eight or nine of us stumbled over that gun a couple times before we thoroughly searched the building.


Imo, this statement from Weitzman implies  he was looking THROUGH the open space under the pallet of boxes ("the flat"), and that's why he saw the rifle on the floor on the south side of row of boxes  that Boone was leaning over, hence both of them seeing the rifle about the same time.

Apparently some 8 or 9 people passed by that gap between the pallet of boxes and the wall of boxes closest to the staircase, and did not see the rifle. Weitzman suggests it was "covered with boxes" and was "well protected"

I was on the floor looking under the flat at the same time he was looking on the top side and we saw the gun,

I believe that Weitzman was the first to spot the carcano....Boone may have missed it if he hadn't been alerted by Weitzman   At any rate Boone moved a box that was formed the roof over the crevasse in which the rifle lay beneath the north edge of the pallet of boxes of books.
Boone shined his flashlight down into the dark crevasse and spotted a tiny portion of the butt of the carcano which was lying on the floor.   

Imo, this statement from Weitzman implies  he was looking THROUGH the open space under the pallet of boxes ("the flat"), and that's why he saw the rifle on the floor on the south side of row of boxes  that Boone was leaning over, hence both of them seeing the rifle about the same time.

I believe that Weitzman saw the rifle first.....But that's no big deal.... However I think you should know that Boone was facing east when he moved the box that covered the crevasse...not south....  He had just squeezed between the west wall and a row of east / west boxes ( with a bright sunshiny window behind him) when he shined his light down into the crevasse.....

[Walt Cakebread]

...and how exactly did he know that a gun was there somewhere?

I've asked that same question....  Somewhere I've read that it was Captain fritz who was in charge of the search....And it was Fritz who would not allow the searchers to give up searching the sixth floor.....Fritz insisted that the rifle had to be there ...and ordered the officers to keep looking.

Tom Alyea sheds some light on this....  He said that some officers had gone to other floors but were called back to continue searching the sixth floor.