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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence. And WCR link.
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2018, 12:37:57 AM »
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If one of these 5 or more people was tied to the rifle which was found on the 6th floor then you could have an argument, well?

...except for the small problem of you never actually tying Oswald to the rifle.

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Re: Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence. And WCR link.
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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2018, 12:39:50 AM »
To prove any form of conspiracy exists you need evidence to support that specific conspiracy. Be very specific.

True enough.

And to prove that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK, you need compelling evidence to support that claim. Be very specific.

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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2018, 12:44:07 AM »
...except for the small problem of you never actually tying Oswald to the rifle.




Awesome, let me get this straight you're going with the "naughty but brilliant incompetent Conspirators" setup Oswald with a rifle that cannot be tied to Oswald, WOW!



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Re: Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence. And WCR link.
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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2018, 01:09:24 AM »
Awesome, let me get this straight you're going with the "naughty but brilliant incompetent Conspirators" setup Oswald with a rifle that cannot be tied to Oswald, WOW!

No, I'm going with the "you've never demonstrated that Oswald ordered, received, or ever possessed that particular rifle".

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Re: Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence. And WCR link.
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2018, 01:12:55 AM »
No, I'm going with the "you've never demonstrated that Oswald ordered, received, or ever possessed that particular rifle".




Why setup Oswald with a rifle that cannot be linked to him?



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Re: Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence. And WCR link.
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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2018, 01:39:27 AM »
Why setup Oswald with a rifle that cannot be linked to him?

Why don't you ask someone who claims that Oswald was "setup with a rifle"?

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Re: Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence. And WCR link.
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2018, 05:46:27 PM »
2 words - 'Paraffin' and 'test'!

There is the proof that LHO didn't fire any rifle that day - so assuming the rifle was 'owned' by him naturally infers conspiracy and patsy.

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Re: Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence. And WCR link.
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2018, 07:05:18 PM »
2 words - 'Paraffin' and 'test'!

There is the proof that LHO didn't fire any rifle that day - so assuming the rifle was 'owned' by him naturally infers conspiracy and patsy.

From the WC testimony of FBI SA Cortlandt Cunningham:

Mr. EISENBERG. A paraffin test was also run of Oswald's cheek and it produced a negative result.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Yes.
Mr. EISENBERG. Do your tests, or do the tests which you ran, or your experience with revolvers and rifles, cast any light on the significance of a negative result being obtained on the right cheek?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. No, sir; I personally wouldn't expect to find any residues on a person's right cheek after firing a rifle due to the fact that by the very principles and the manufacture and the action, the cartridge itself is sealed into the chamber by the bolt being closed behind it, and upon firing the case, the cartridge case expands into the chamber filling it up and sealing it off from the gases, so none will come back in your face, and so by its very nature, I would not expect to find residue on the right cheek of a shooter.
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Mr. EISENBERG. Did you make a test with the exhibit, with the rifle, 139, to determine whether that left a powder residue on the right cheek?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. We did.

Mr. EISENBERG. Will you describe that test?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Yes; this time we ran a control. We were interested in running a control to find out just what the possibility was of getting a positive reaction after a person has thoroughly washed their hands. Mr. Killion used green soap and washed his hands, and we ran a control, both of the right cheek and of both hands.
We got many reactions on both the right hand and the left hand, and he had not fired a gun that day.
Mr. EISENBERG. This was before firing the rifle?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Yes, sir. That was before firing the rifle. We got no reaction on the cheek.
Mr. EISENBERG. Also before firing the rifle?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Yes.
We fired the rifle. Mr. Killion fired it three times rapidly, using similar ammunition to that used in the assassination. We reran the tests both on the cheek and both hands. This time we got a negative reaction on all casts.
Mr. EISENBERG. So to recapitulate, after firing the rifle rapid-fire no residues of any nitrate were picked off Mr. Killion's cheek?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. That is correct, and there were none on the hands. We cleaned off the rifle again with dilute HCl. I loaded it for him. He held it in one of the cleaned areas and I pushed the clip in so he would not have to get his hands near the chamber--in other words, so he wouldn't pick up residues, from it, or from the action, or from the receiver. When we ran the casts, we got no reaction on either hand or on his cheek. On the controls, when he hadn't fired a gun all day, we got numerous reactions.


Simon, so much for your proof that LHO didn't fire any rifle that day.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2018, 07:07:45 PM by Tim Nickerson »

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Re: Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence. And WCR link.
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