The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio

[Royell Storing]

Other than James Darnell, there was no cameraman who filmed "The Three Ladies" (Jacob, Holt and Simmons) after the assassination, Ralph I mean Royell.

-- MWT   

     Upon checking through The Bible of Assassination Images = "Pictures Of The Pain" by Richard Trask, there is absolutely No Mention of Darnell having filmed 3 Ladies in front of the Pergola or any mention of Darnell filming Anything in front of the Pergola area roughly 10 minutes following the Kill Shot.  I continue waiting for an explanation regarding the Detail Contrast between ALL the fuzzy Darnell film footage vs the Clarity of The 3 Ladies film footage.

[Thomas Graves]

     Upon checking through The Bible of Assassination Images = "Pictures Of The Pain" by Richard Trask, there is absolutely No Mention of Darnell having filmed 3 Ladies in front of the Pergola or any mention of Darnell filming Anything in front of the Pergola area roughly 10 minutes following the Kill Shot.  I continue waiting for an explanation regarding the Detail Contrast between ALL the fuzzy Darnell film footage vs the Clarity of The 3 Ladies film footage.

Dear Ralph I mean Royell,

Well, obviously Trask missed that, didn't he?

But we, right here at the JFK Assassination Forum, discovered it!

-- MWT   

PS  So who does your great expert have filming dark-complected Jacob, crying Holt, and headscarf-wearing Simmons walking together after the assassination?

Nobody?

[Royell Storing]

Dear Royell,

Obviously Trask missed that, didn't he.

But we, right here at the JFK Assassination Forum, discovered it!

-- MWT   

PS  So who does your great expert have filming dark-complected Jacob, crying Holt, and headscarf-wearing Simmons walking together after the assassination?


Nobody?

     The Self Proclaimed "discoveries" made on this Forum continues reaching epidemic proportions. And then You have the gall to shame Trask. Know your place.     

[Thomas Graves]

Storing wrote:

Upon checking through The Bible of Assassination Images = "Pictures Of The Pain" by Richard Trask, there is absolutely No Mention of Darnell having filmed 3 Ladies in front of the Pergola or any mention of Darnell filming Anything in front of the Pergola area roughly 10 minutes following the Kill Shot.  I continue waiting for an explanation regarding the Detail Contrast between ALL the fuzzy Darnell film footage vs the Clarity of The 3 Ladies film footage.


My reply:

Well, Trask missed that one, didn't he?

But we, right here at the JFK Assassination Forum, discovered it!

-- MWT   

PS  So, who does your great JFK assassination photo and film expert have filming dark-complected Jacob, crying Holt, and headscarf-wearing Simmons walking together after the assassination?

Nobody?

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Bumped for Storing

[John Mytton]

    Eyeball the difference in the Definition of the 3 Women film footage when they are Atop the Knoll, vs the Definition of the "MSNBC" film footage of the 3 Women when they are at the Bottom portion of the Knoll. Plus, The 3 Women have covered ground going Down the Knoll which is Not present on Any of this film footage. There is a Gap in the filming of these 3 Women. If 1 Camera Man had simply Stopped filming for whatever reason, why are we seeing a Definition Difference in the footage at the Top of the Knoll vs the footage at the Bottom of the Knoll?  If NBC/MSNBC had run this entire film snippet through their modern day Tech Machinery to clean  it up, why are we seeing a Definition Difference between the opening segment when the 3 Women are at the Top portion of the Knoll vs when the 3 Women are at the bottom of the Knoll?  Just my opinion, but I believe: (1) we are looking at 2 different film snippets, (2) filmed by 2 different Camera MEN, (3) Using 2 different Cameras/Film, (4) Producing Images of contrasting Definition. At some point, these 2 film snippets of the 3 Women were simply spliced together. Remember, the 3 Women are responding to someone standing out of sight to their Right. This could easily be the 2nd Camera Man. 2 Camera Men, shooting the same 3 Women at different points in time as they traveled across the Knoll.

Eyeball the difference in the Definition of the 3 Women film footage when they are Atop the Knoll, vs the Definition of the "MSNBC" film footage of the 3 Women when they are at the Bottom portion of the Knoll.

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Since you refuse or can't support your ideas with evidence, here's the two gifs.





And the answer is immediately obvious, the dimensions of the videos show that one is 4:3 showing that the footage is from analog NTSC 480p and, the other is 16:9 indicating a digital release of most probably 1080p, so your comparison makes no sense, it's like comparing Gumby on an old cathode ray tv to the high definition of the latest Hollywood Blockbuster on a FHD TV, it's chalk and cheese.
The MSNBC footage looks like it came from the original archive and the higher definition film has come from a newer HD Transfer.

JohnM
 

[Mark A. Oblazney]

I don't think Royell knows how this all works, he's probably thinking that Darnell was carrying some funky digital camcorder?

What Darnell captured was on 16mm film which would be extremely clear but had to be transferred onto video back at the station.



Over the years the video quality of these Telecine machines increases as the video capture technology improves.



Thank you, John..... QED.... Checkmate, Albert.  Go back to the rock whence you came under from.

The initial video archives of the Darnell film came from primitive 1963 tv station telecine equipment and this ntsc transfer is what would have been seen in early documentaries then somewhere along the line the original 16mm film was located which was then transferred with a modern telecine machine with vastly superior optics, hence the quality improvement.

JohnM

[Royell Storing]

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Since you refuse or can't support your ideas with evidence, here's the two gifs.





And the answer is immediately obvious, the dimensions of the videos show that one is 4:3 showing that the footage is from analog NTSC 480p and, the other is 16:9 indicating a digital release of most probably 1080p, so your comparison makes no sense, it's like comparing Gumby on an old cathode ray tv to the high definition of the latest Hollywood Blockbuster on a FHD TV, it's chalk and cheese.
The MSNBC footage looks like it came from the original archive and the higher definition film has come from a newer HD Transfer.

JohnM

         In addition to the Definition Difference, it is obvious that these 2 film snippets were spliced/put together at some point due to the "MSNBC" logo NOT being present on the opening segment when the 3 Women were positioned at the Top of the Knoll. You originally claimed ALL of this material was run through the Hi Tech equipment.  The reason the "MSNBC" footage is of a lower quality is because Darnell did work for NBC, and they probably did work with Darnell footage out of the NBC Archive for the MSNBC Special.  ALL of the Darnell film footage we know of IS of Low Quality which matches the low quality of the "MSNBC" tagged snippet. The "MSNBC" logo being absent from that opening segment is a dead give-a-away as to there being 2 photogs. (#2 probably being the person standing out-of-sight on the (R) of the 3 Women). Darnell worked for NBC and if NBC had access to the the footage of the 3 Women at the bottom of the Knoll, they Certainly would have had access to the footage of the 3 Women at the top of the Knoll which was filmed only seconds beforehand.   

[Thomas Graves]

         In addition to the Definition Difference, it is obvious that these 2 film snippets were spliced/put together at some point due to the "MSNBC" logo NOT being present on the opening segment when the 3 Women were positioned at the Top of the Knoll. You originally claimed ALL of this material was run through the Hi Tech equipment.  The reason the "MSNBC" footage is of a lower quality is because Darnell did work for NBC, and they probably did work with Darnell footage out of the NBC Archive for the MSNBC Special.  ALL of the Darnell film footage we know of IS of Low Quality which matches the low quality of the "MSNBC" tagged snippet. The "MSNBC" logo being absent from that opening segment is a dead give-a-away as to there being 2 photogs. (#2 probably being the person standing out-of-sight on the (R) of the 3 Women). Darnell worked for NBC and if NBC had access to the the footage of the 3 Women at the bottom of the Knoll, they Certainly would have had access to the footage of the 3 Women at the top of the Knoll which was filmed only seconds beforehand.   

Storing,

If there was a second, mysto photographer, he and Darnell must have have been very busy indeed trying to elbow each other out of the way.

-- MWT