CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

[Jerry Freeman]

The 3 colours of fibers that made up Oswald's brown shirt, (the same shirt Oswald wore THAT DAY of Nov 22/63), were matched to fibers found on Oswald's rifle. Oswald's rifle was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

Nonsense. Oswald had changed from his work shirt to the arrest shirt at his room. That was demonstrated months ago so back up 5 yards and punt on that one.

[Walt Cakebread]

There's more to CE 637 than its right hand side. Seems the little indent on the wooden fore-stock (where the fore sling bracket was fitted to) would have made some sort of impression. It's a pretty significant change in how the surface runs.

Since such an impression is missing, it may be that the print was taken from the metal barrel and not the wooden stock.



Above: How wooden fore-stock looks without the metal forward sling mount.



The print was centered on the bottom of the barrel. Day saw an edge of it before he disassembled the rifle.

I just posted something on the barrel that could account for the rectangular shape. The shape might have shifted a bit as the metal part was elevated relative to the rest of the barrel. Day was concentrating on where the print was.



The area circled on the right shows what I believe to be some pitting characteristic of the Carcano's barrel.



It doesn't seem characteristic of wood grain.

I don't know about that. Day references "end of foregrip" in CE 637, which is a reference to the wooden fore-stock. Probably--as it was found assembled--the rifle would be entered as an exhibit fully-assembled. In most of the local cases he was called to testify about, that may have been a standard method of presenting the evidence. I see that in the modern age, guns are sometimes presented in court assembled but with a gun lock for safety. Probably to prevent a Trump supporter playing with it and blowing his foot off.

There's more to CE 637 than its right hand side. Seems the little indent on the wooden fore-stock (where the fore sling bracket was fitted to) would have made some sort of impression. It's a pretty significant change in how the surface runs.

You're right there is more to CE 637 than the bayonet slot that is shown on the right hand side.   What you're calling the Foresling Bracket is actually the front barrel band .....And that Front barrel band is 5 & 1/2 inches back from the front end of the wooden stock. The 3 X 5 index card is only 5 inches long . The distance from the rear of the bayonet slot to the front barrel band is a little more than 2 inches...so the front barrel band could appear in the photo IF  IF the tape had been pressed down against that area.  However that front barrel band was not the area of interest....Day thought that he'd found a palm print forward of that barrel band. 

[Walt Cakebread]

There's more to CE 637 than its right hand side. Seems the little indent on the wooden fore-stock (where the fore sling bracket was fitted to) would have made some sort of impression. It's a pretty significant change in how the surface runs.

Since such an impression is missing, it may be that the print was taken from the metal barrel and not the wooden stock.



Above: How wooden fore-stock looks without the metal forward sling mount.



The print was centered on the bottom of the barrel. Day saw an edge of it before he disassembled the rifle.

I just posted something on the barrel that could account for the rectangular shape. The shape might have shifted a bit as the metal part was elevated relative to the rest of the barrel. Day was concentrating on where the print was.



The area circled on the right shows what I believe to be some pitting characteristic of the Carcano's barrel.



It doesn't seem characteristic of wood grain.

I don't know about that. Day references "end of foregrip" in CE 637, which is a reference to the wooden fore-stock. Probably--as it was found assembled--the rifle would be entered as an exhibit fully-assembled. In most of the local cases he was called to testify about, that may have been a standard method of presenting the evidence. I see that in the modern age, guns are sometimes presented in court assembled but with a gun lock for safety. Probably to prevent a Trump supporter playing with it and blowing his foot off.

I just posted something on the barrel that could account for the rectangular shape. The shape might have shifted a bit as the metal part was elevated relative to the rest of the barrel. Day was concentrating on where the print was.

I just posted something on the barrel that could account for the rectangular shape. The shape might have shifted a bit as the metal part was elevated relative to the rest of the barrel. Day was concentrating on where the print was.

The elevated part that you're referring to is the bayonet lug .....You're right...it is elevated 7 /16 of an inch above the surface of the barrel.  Day couldn't have applied cellophane tape on the top of that bayonet lug in a way that would allow the tape to contact the metal barrel.... Or conversely if Day applied the tape to the barrel he could not have kept contact with the barrel when he tried to place the tape on the bayonet lug.  And incidentally....that bayonet lug is only about one inch to the rear of the front of the wooden stock, ( Day said the print was about 3 inches back. This is so elementary I'm surprised that you'd suggest such an absurd idea.

[Martin Weidmann]

The 3 colours of fibers that made up Oswald's brown shirt, (the same shirt Oswald wore THAT DAY of Nov 22/63), were matched to fibers found on Oswald's rifle. Oswald's rifle was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD.


JohnM

the same shirt Oswald wore THAT DAY of Nov 22/63

Hang on,

You can actually show that in the morning of 11/22/63 Oswald wore the same shirt he was arrested in at the Texas Theater?

 

[Walt Cakebread]

the same shirt Oswald wore THAT DAY of Nov 22/63

Hang on,

You can actually show that in the morning of 11/22/63 Oswald wore the same shirt he was arrested in at the Texas Theater?

Mrs Bledsoe said that the shirt that Lee was wearing when she saw him on Mc Watter's bus had a large hole at the elbow.  This sighting was BEFORE he went to the rooming house at 1026 N Beckley, where he changed his clothes.  Photos taken of Lee in the police station show that the arrest shirt had no hole in the elbow.

[Walt Cakebread]

There's more to CE 637 than its right hand side. Seems the little indent on the wooden fore-stock (where the fore sling bracket was fitted to) would have made some sort of impression. It's a pretty significant change in how the surface runs.

Since such an impression is missing, it may be that the print was taken from the metal barrel and not the wooden stock.



Above: How wooden fore-stock looks without the metal forward sling mount.



The print was centered on the bottom of the barrel. Day saw an edge of it before he disassembled the rifle.

I just posted something on the barrel that could account for the rectangular shape. The shape might have shifted a bit as the metal part was elevated relative to the rest of the barrel. Day was concentrating on where the print was.



The area circled on the right shows what I believe to be some pitting characteristic of the Carcano's barrel.



It doesn't seem characteristic of wood grain.

I don't know about that. Day references "end of foregrip" in CE 637, which is a reference to the wooden fore-stock. Probably--as it was found assembled--the rifle would be entered as an exhibit fully-assembled. In most of the local cases he was called to testify about, that may have been a standard method of presenting the evidence. I see that in the modern age, guns are sometimes presented in court assembled but with a gun lock for safety. Probably to prevent a Trump supporter playing with it and blowing his foot off.

A model 91/38 carcano disassembled



Notice the bayonet lug on the bottom of the barrel .....  You'll notice that it extends down from the surface of the round barrel.  Thus the bayonet lug couldn't possibly have been what created the two parallel lines that are seen at the right hand side of CE 637.   As further verification for this point....The bayonet lug is 8.5mm wide....and the parallel lines are only 5mm apart......  That 8.5 mm bayonet lug couldn't possibly have created the parallel lines that are 5mm apart.    However the bayonet groove on my carcano is 5mm wide.

[Zeon Mason]

Mrs Bledsoe said that the shirt that Lee was wearing when she saw him on Mc Watter's bus had a large hole at the elbow.  This sighting was BEFORE he went to the rooming house at 1026 N Beckley, where he changed his clothes.  Photos taken of Lee in the police station show that the arrest shirt had no hole in the elbow.

She saw the hole in the elbow of the shirt THRU the Jacket over top of it ?

[Walt Cakebread]

She saw the hole in the elbow of the shirt THRU the Jacket over top of it ?

I think you're confused....Mrs Bledsoe was a passenger on Mc Watter's bus....  She said that Lee was wearing a shirt with a hole in the elbow .  She said nothing about a jacket.