CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

[Walt Cakebread]

And your support for this claim is a photo which doesn't actually show most of Oswald's elbow?  Good grief.

Mr "Smith"....  Perhaps you should go back and take a refresher class on deception....

I've noticed that whenever a poster posts something vital, ( like the FACT that Lee's arrest shirt does NOT have a hole in the elbow)  You try your best to discredit that fact....   It's very obvious Mr "Smith".......

[Walt Cakebread]

Oswald told his interrogators that he went to his room and changed his clothes before going to the movies.

Officer Marion Baker testified to the WC that Ozzie was wearing different clothes when he saw him at the police station, after his arrest, then when he observed him in the TSBD.

LE said fibers recovered from the rifle tied it to the shirt he was wearing when arrested.

If LE had legible prints on the rifle from LHO they wouldn't have found fibers on it from a shirt he wasn't wearing at 12:30 on 11/22/63. JMHO

Walter E. Pots was one of the detectives who searched the room at 1026 N. Beckley..  He compiled a list of articles that he removed from Lee's room.  It is Potts exhibit A in Volume XXI page 140.    Potts describeted the shirt that he found in the drawer where Lee said he had put his dirty clothes.    Of particular interest..... Potts said that the brown shirt had a BUTTON DOWN collar.   And that's exactly what Lee Oswald said ....

[Zeon Mason]

The brown shirt that Oswald took off at his boarding house was one of TWO brown shirts he had. The 2nd one, he put on, having same type of fiber and color as the 1st brown shirt, could NOT have been at TSBD during the shooting, so any test results from that 2nd shirt is of no value to prove the MC rifle was in Oswalds hands being fired at the TSBD on Nov 23/63

and a test of BOTH shirts producing SAME approximate characteristics might be something to consider, in regard that it would show that ANY shirt of same type could have been worn by someone else as much as by Oswald and fiber from THAT shooters shirt would ALSO match Oswalds shirts and could have been left on the MC rifle just the same.

Neither shirt as far as i am aware had any signs of gunpowder residue, neither from MC rifle nor the revolver. The jacket also, no gunpowder residue was stated found. Yet the paraffin test on Oswald's hand was positive.

Nowadays, the perspiration left in the shirts could be analyzed by DNA test and  linked to whomever wore the 1st shirt, but I guess that would not be possible 56 years later to conduct a DNA test of the 2 shirts Oswald supposedly wore that day of Nov 22/63?

[Walt Cakebread]

Some of us just aren't seeing how the two photos by themselves automatically "prove" there was no hole at the elbow.


The right shirt sleeve may be twisted such that the area of wear at the elbow is at the inner bent of the elbow rather than the outer bend, or at some other area of the shirt not in camera view.

It may very well be there is no hole in the elbow and that Oswald changed his shirt at the boarding house. It may be otherwise. I suppose it's important as "no hole" means the authorities created one. I wouldn't rule that out for a Southern police force.

It's a piece o cake to measure the distance from the cuff to the hole in the elbow of the shirt, In the evidence photo...and measure the distance from the cuff to Lee's elbow in the photos of Lee being lead through the police station.

[Gary Craig]

[John Mytton]

Apparently you've never worn a shirt that had a hole worn at the elbow..... I can tell you. ( and I'm sure there are others) that when there is a hole in the sleeve at the elbow when the arm is bent as Lee's is in the photo, the elbow usually pops out of the hole.

No, you're not comparing apples with apples, a hole in a shirt elbow is created when there is friction at the elbow which is usually when your elbows are resting on something, not when your arms are in the air. Doh!

In this arrest pic Oswald's arm is up and in addition the cuffs are restricting movement and dragging the shirt further down.
The red outline simulates the amount of shirt which would be seen when hanging naturally. Also note the amount of bunching in the area between the elbow and shoulder.



Here we see how a generic long sleeve shirt hangs at the wrist and as can be easily seen the above image shows the cuff way down Oswald's forearm.



JohnM

[Walt Cakebread]

No, you're not comparing apples with apples, a hole in a shirt elbow is created when there is friction at the elbow which is usually when your elbows are resting on something, not when your arms are in the air. Doh!

In this arrest pic Oswald's arm is up and in addition the cuffs are restricting movement and dragging the shirt further down.
The red outline simulates the amount of shirt which would be seen when hanging naturally. Also note the amount of bunching in the area between the elbow and shoulder.



Here we see how a generic long sleeve shirt hangs at the wrist and as can be easily seen the above image shows the cuff way down Oswald's forearm.



JohnM

Mr Mytton, I will not debate you....  You are totally dishonest, and  there is no point in debating a person who is totally dishonest.