CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

[Michael O'Brian]

Presuming it was Oswald rifle, so as to answer the original poster, and with no evidence per se....

Guns were shown at the TSBD in the week prior.
Dougherty and Oswald get talking, and Dougherty offers to buy the gun.
Oswald thinks he can a great price out of Dougherty, given Dougherty is not the sharpest knife in the draw.
Thinking he will be getting some money from Dougherty for the gun, he leaves Marina most of his cash for the kids (whom he adores)
Oswald brings the gun in and leaves it with Dougherty to check out.
Oswald goes to lunch, Dougherty shots Kennedy with Oswald gun.

Some interesting points here, and one or two facts, IMO those guns that the Castor's passed around as being some sort if sinister aspect to this case

[John Iacoletti]

So is there a good reason to believe that it wasn’t?

Absolutely.  Did you read my post at #25 in this thread?

Do you know that Henry Wade reportedly said that he was informed of it on 11/22/63, just before they charged LHO with the JFK assassination?

Mr. RANKIN. Will you tell us what evidence you recall?
Mr. WADE. I have made no notes but roughly he gave the story about him bringing the gun to work, saying it was window rods from the neighbor, someone who had brought him to work. He also said there were three employees of the company that left him on the sixth floor. He told about, the part about, the young officer running in there right after the assassination and Oswald leaving after the manager said that he was employed there. Told about his arrest and said that there was a scuffle there, and that he tried to shoot the officer.
I don't know--I think I am giving you all this because I think a little of it may vary from the facts but all I know is what Fritz told me.
He said the Dallas police had found a palmprint on the underside of the gun of Oswald. At that time, the FBI was standing by to fly the gun to the laboratory here in Washington which incidentally, they didn't find, but I assume the Commission has interviewed Senator--not Senator--Day, the fingerprint man of the Dallas police but I have learned since that he probably can't identify the palmprint under there but at that time they told me they had one on it.

Also note that Wade is testifying on June 8, 1964, over 6 months later.  There is no known mention of this palmprint by Wade or anyone else until after Oswald's death.

[Charles Collins]

Absolutely.  Did you read my post at #25 in this thread?

Mr. RANKIN. Will you tell us what evidence you recall?
Mr. WADE. I have made no notes but roughly he gave the story about him bringing the gun to work, saying it was window rods from the neighbor, someone who had brought him to work. He also said there were three employees of the company that left him on the sixth floor. He told about, the part about, the young officer running in there right after the assassination and Oswald leaving after the manager said that he was employed there. Told about his arrest and said that there was a scuffle there, and that he tried to shoot the officer.
I don't know--I think I am giving you all this because I think a little of it may vary from the facts but all I know is what Fritz told me.
He said the Dallas police had found a palmprint on the underside of the gun of Oswald. At that time, the FBI was standing by to fly the gun to the laboratory here in Washington which incidentally, they didn't find, but I assume the Commission has interviewed Senator--not Senator--Day, the fingerprint man of the Dallas police but I have learned since that he probably can't identify the palmprint under there but at that time they told me they had one on it.

Also note that Wade is testifying on June 8, 1964, over 6 months later.  There is no known mention of this palmprint by Wade or anyone else until after Oswald's death.

Absolutely.  Did you read my post at #25 in this thread?


I have now. And I also read John Myton's reply. And your lame response to it.

Also note that Wade is testifying on June 8, 1964, over 6 months later.

When he testified is irrelevant. What he testified, under oath, is relevant.

There is no known mention of this palmprint by Wade or anyone else until after Oswald's death.

This is irrelevant also. However, Henry Wade was a prosecutor, not an investigator. Fritz "mentioned" it to Wade before Oswald's death. Therefore, it was told to someone outside the investigation team before LHO's death. Public disclosure might not have been until after LHO's death. However, criminal investigators typically do not disclose all the evidence to the public, while an investigation is ongoing, for good reasons.

[Martin Weidmann]

Absolutely.  Did you read my post at #25 in this thread?


I have now. And I also read John Myton's reply. And your lame response to it.

Also note that Wade is testifying on June 8, 1964, over 6 months later.

When he testified is irrelevant. What he testified, under oath, is relevant.

There is no known mention of this palmprint by Wade or anyone else until after Oswald's death.

This is irrelevant also. However, Henry Wade was a prosecutor, not an investigator. Fritz "mentioned" it to Wade before Oswald's death. Therefore, it was told to someone outside the investigation team before LHO's death. Public disclosure might not have been until after LHO's death. However, criminal investigators typically do not disclose all the evidence to the public, while an investigation is ongoing, for good reasons.

This is irrelevant also.

No it isn't

However, Henry Wade was a prosecutor, not an investigator.

Correction; History has exposed Henry Wade as an overzealous prosecutor with a massive amount of proven unsafe convinctions to his name

Fritz "mentioned" it to Wade before Oswald's death.

Yeah right.... from memory? And neither considered it useful to create a written record of it, really?

Therefore, it was told to someone outside the investigation team before LHO's death.

Really? If Wade was "outside the investigation" why was he told in the first place? You are not making any sense

However, criminal investigators typically do not disclose all the evidence to the public, while an investigation is ongoing, for good reasons.

Sure they don't, but that didn't stop DPD officers talking to the media from day 1


You are all over the place on this one, Charles.... now, why does that not surprise me?

[Charles Collins]

This is irrelevant also.

No it isn't

However, Henry Wade was a prosecutor, not an investigator.

Correction; History has exposed Henry Wade as an overzealous prosecutor with a massive amount of proven unsafe convinctions to his name

Fritz "mentioned" it to Wade before Oswald's death.

Yeah right.... from memory? And neither considered it useful to create a written record of it, really?

Therefore, it was told to someone outside the investigation team before LHO's death.

Really? If Wade was "outside the investigation" why was he told in the first place? You are not making any sense

However, criminal investigators typically do not disclose all the evidence to the public, while an investigation is ongoing, for good reasons.

Sure they don't, but that didn't stop DPD officers talking to the media from day 1


You are all over the place on this one, Charles.... now, why does that not surprise me?

No it isn't

Why do you think it is relevant?

Correction; History has exposed Henry Wade as an overzealous prosecutor with a massive amount of proven unsafe convinctions to his name

Yeah right.... from memory? And neither considered it useful to create a written record of it, really?

Relevance?

Really? If Wade was "outside the investigation" why was he told in the first place? You are not making any sense

He was the prosecutor. Not the public. He had a legitimate reason to ask.

[Gary Craig]

Hmm. So let's apply what I said to what you say is pertinent ...

"Those are opinion polls on Jack Ruby's having just shot Oswald,"...
     _{(ie: the "week" included November 25 to 29, 1963)}

..."not on the influence of conspiracy theorists."

Jerry "Obfuscation" Organ.

You're grasping at straw trying to support an untenable position.

The opinions expressed by those polls were definitely influenced by Ruby murdering LHO, in DPD custody, live in front of the world.

Portraying the intent as,"opinion polls on Jack Ruby's having just shot Oswald" is intellectually dishonest.

The majority of people asked did and still do believe there was a conspiracy of more than one person

involved in the assassination of JFK. Before critics began dismantling the WCR and after.

[Gary Craig]

How many people who participate in these polls have "scrutinized" the WC?  I bet half or more haven't even heard of it and less than ten percent have read a single page.  Most people don't know the basic facts fifty plus years later or give a fig.  Their uninformed opinions are worthless.  They are more likely to have seen Stone's wacky, paranoid fueled film and believe "something" may have happened.  What they have no idea.  Or that "one guy" couldn't pull it off for some unspecified reason.  The kind of baseless nonsense that is peddled by many CTers despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Regardless, before any critics dissected the WCR, and after, opinion polls showed a majority believed a conspiracy murdered JFK.

If the WCR is such a straight forward and overwhelming set of facts and evidence supporting the official LN narrative, why the need

to attack the uniformed, worthless, wacky, baseless opinions of the paranoid CT influenced pollees dug up by these obviously incompetent

pollsters?

[Martin Weidmann]

No it isn't

Why do you think it is relevant?

Because the claim was made only after Oswald's death, like John said.

Correction; History has exposed Henry Wade as an overzealous prosecutor with a massive amount of proven unsafe convinctions to his name

Yeah right.... from memory? And neither considered it useful to create a written record of it, really?

Relevance?

A prosecutor with countless unsafe convictions making a claim from memory after a suspect's death is of no relevance to you?

Really? If Wade was "outside the investigation" why was he told in the first place? You are not making any sense

He was the prosecutor. Not the public. He had a legitimate reason to ask.

Hang on one minute... You earlier claimed that;

"Fritz "mentioned" it to Wade before Oswald's death. Therefore, it was told to someone outside the investigation team before LHO's death."


But Wade was in fact involved in the investigation from day 1. He was already giving interviews during the time that Oswald was in custody, so your claim that someone outside the investigation was told is simply bogus.