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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #584 on: February 09, 2020, 08:42:52 PM »
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Well if the rifle had been removed as early as Oct /63 as per Mrs Paine possibly remembering seen the blanket as flatter in appearance than the rifle in blanket presented to her during her WC testimony
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Mr. JENNER - Is it fair to say it is your best recollection at the moment that the zipper bag you have described earlier, you described yesterday, was not placed in the station wagon, and did not return with you to Irving?
Mrs. PAINE - I do not recall it being in the station wagon.
Mr. JENNER - Now, was there a separate long package of any kind?
Mrs. PAINE - I do not recall such a package.
Mr. JENNER - Was there a separate package of any character wrapped in a blanket?
Mrs. PAINE - No. There was a basket such as you use for hanging your clothes. It carried exactly that, clothes and diapers, and they weren't as neat as being in suitcases and duffels would imply. There was leftovers stuffed in the corner, clothes and things, but rather open.
Mr. JENNER - So you saw no long rectangular package of any kind or character loaded in or placed in your station wagon?
Mrs. PAINE - No, it doesn't mean it wasn't there, but I saw nothing of that nature.
Mr. JENNER - You saw nothing?
Mrs. PAINE - I saw nothing.
 
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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
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« Reply #585 on: February 09, 2020, 08:58:46 PM »
Someone [a Commissioner maybe] just might have nudged Ruth...
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Mr. JENNER - Did you see any kind of a package wrapped in the blanket?
Mrs. PAINE - Not to my recollection.
Mr. JENNER - Did you see any package
Mrs. PAINE - I don't recall seeing the blanket either.
Mr. JENNER - On that occasion?
Mrs. PAINE - On that occasion, not until later.
Mr. JENNER - Not until later.
Representative FORD - Did you see the blanket in New Orleans?
Mrs. PAINE - On the bed or something. I am asking myself. I don't recall it specifically.
"I don't recall it specifically"  Can anyone else see what went on there?

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #586 on: February 09, 2020, 09:10:24 PM »
Someone [a Commissioner maybe] just might have nudged Ruth... "I don't recall it specifically"  Can anyone else see what went on there?

No. But I'm sure you do.  ::)

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #587 on: February 09, 2020, 10:03:22 PM »
No. But I'm sure you do.     
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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #588 on: February 10, 2020, 02:33:47 PM »
They wanted so badly for Ruth to have seen a package.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #589 on: February 15, 2020, 03:10:07 AM »
If this MC rifle was planted before the fact then the conspirators must not have realized that west side of the floor was being laid with new plywood necessitating having to move boxes

Seems like a risky place to pre hide the rifle near the stairs

However, if rifle was hastily planted after the fact , near the stairwell would be quickest place  sliding under the pallettes

Maybe Weitzman observed or at least realized the rifle was moved from UNDER a palette to its new position In a gap between 2 parallel rows of boxes

Perhaps Weitzman even witnessed a hand sliding a rifle thru the space of the pallet In coincidence with Boone shining a light

At the very least, Weitzman may have witnessed the destacking of the wall of boxes in order to photograph a rifle no longer laying “flat” and within the frame of a wooden palette

Instead, now the rifle was in vertical position up against a wall of boxes with NO wooden palette underneath the boxes




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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #590 on: February 15, 2020, 07:24:08 AM »
Can I change the topic to..How did Oswald's ALLEGED rifle end up on the 6th floor?

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #591 on: February 15, 2020, 07:42:58 PM »
If this MC rifle was planted before the fact then the conspirators must not have realized that west side of the floor was being laid with new plywood necessitating having to move boxes

Seems like a risky place to pre hide the rifle near the stairs

However, if rifle was hastily planted after the fact , near the stairwell would be quickest place  sliding under the pallettes

Maybe Weitzman observed or at least realized the rifle was moved from UNDER a palette to its new position In a gap between 2 parallel rows of boxes

Perhaps Weitzman even witnessed a hand sliding a rifle thru the space of the pallet In coincidence with Boone shining a light

At the very least, Weitzman may have witnessed the destacking of the wall of boxes in order to photograph a rifle no longer laying “flat” and within the frame of a wooden palette

Instead, now the rifle was in vertical position up against a wall of boxes with NO wooden palette underneath the boxes

Seems like a risky place to pre hide the rifle near the stairs

Au contrair, monsieur ....  The LOGICAL place to hide the rifle was along a logical escape route.....That's where the police would look for a discarded weapon. And in fact the police DID search along the escape route several times before Boone and Weitzman discovered the well hidden rifle, beneath the pallet.  Had the rifle been in the location depicted in the official in situ photos it would have been discovered earlier.  They simply didn't anticipate Lee being in the 2nd floor lunchroom, when the plot called for him to be on the sixth floor.  When a DPD officer (Baker) saw Lee in the lunchroom about 90 seconds after the shooting they realized that the fact that the rifle was over five feet away from the escape route ( and buried beneath the pallet of book boxes) was an absolute rebuttal of their tale that Lee had ran by and dropped the rifle into the crack between boxes.   Baker's encounter with Oswald in the lunchroom really put the screws to their plot. 

However, if rifle was hastily planted after the fact , near the stairwell would be quickest place  sliding under the pallettes

Please present a realistic  estimate of the time necessary to hide the rifle beneath the pallet .....after moving the boxes of books, and then placing the rifle on the floor beneath the pallet and then stacking the boxes of books back over and around the rifle .

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #591 on: February 15, 2020, 07:42:58 PM »