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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #816 on: November 21, 2022, 08:48:22 PM »
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When the time machine is invented, we can all go back to 1963 to satisfy Martin's subjective, contrarian impossible standard of proof since all we have now is the evidence.  You also appear very confused about whether you are having a discussion about the case on an Internet forum or defending a (guilty) client in a criminal trial subject to the rules and presumptions which govern such trials.

When the time machine is invented, we can all go back to 1963 to satisfy Martin's subjective, contrarian impossible standard of proof since all we have now is the evidence.

You mean the evidence that is so extremely weak it can't even meet any standard of proof?

You also appear very confused about whether you are having a discussion about the case on an Internet forum or defending a (guilty) client in a criminal trial subject to the rules and presumptions which govern such trials.

There is no confusion on my part. On your part, that's another matter. You seem to confuse asking questions and scrutinizing evidence on a public forum as "defending a (guilty) client". I'm not defending anybody. If and when you show me the evidence that Oswald is guilty, I will gladly accept that, but given the fact that you have proven to be unable to provide any conclusive evidence for your claims and can't defend or explain the conclusions of the WC either, I seriously doubt we will ever get to such a conclusion.

I am also not the one who is confused about "having a discussion about the case", as there is no such discussion. There is one person asking questions and asking for evidence and another person (that would be you) who runs away from any kind of discussion as fast as he can.

The bottom line is (and has been the same since 1963) a simple one; when you claim somebody committed two murders you will have to provide the evidence to prove it. It doesn't matter if that's in a court of law or the court of public opinion. You are making claims that you can not support with actual evidence and your "believe it because the WC said so" is just about the most pathetic part of it.

It also makes me wonder why you are active on this board. You clearly do not want to discuss the case against Oswald or answer questions and present evidence.

Your entire position on this board could have been dealt with in one single post, saying: "I believe the WC report and don't want to discuss it"

So the question needs to be asked again; what makes you return to the forum day after day writing meaningless posts about things you don't want to discuss?
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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #816 on: November 21, 2022, 08:48:22 PM »


Offline Jon Banks

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #817 on: November 21, 2022, 08:54:56 PM »
It's always 1964 for the conspiracists. Thus the mantra of "the Warren Commission, the Warren Commission, the Warren Commission..." All of the subsequent investigations - by the government or by the media and others - are dismissed or ignored.

Meanwhile, they ask for evidence, in fact they say they are here to discuss the evidence; but when the evidence of Oswald's guilt is provided they dismiss it as "corrupt". Why it is corrupt? Because they say the "chain of evidence" is insufficient or the DPD was "dirty" and they "possibly" could have manufactured/falsified it. This possibility *alone* is sufficient to dismiss it.

So, if the "chain of custody" is sufficient they wave away that evidence as "possibly" faked. But if the evidence is real, they then say the "chain of custody" for it was broken and its not reliable. In either case they dismiss it. Every time. Except, of course, for the conspiracy claims. Someone can say Ruth Paine was the mastermind behind the framing of Oswald and they are silent. Nowhere to be found.

So where can you go with this? It's an endless repetition of denial on their part.


If you feel that the case that Oswald alone killed JFK is conclusive beyond any reasonable doubt in spite of all the problems with the evidence, you're entitled to your own opinion.

What I don't understand is your expectation that others should overlook the glaring problems with the evidence and investigations.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #818 on: November 21, 2022, 09:18:56 PM »

If you feel that the case that Oswald alone killed JFK is conclusive beyond any reasonable doubt in spite of all the problems with the evidence, you're entitled to your own opinion.

What I don't understand is your expectation that others should overlook the glaring problems with the evidence and investigations.

'overlook the glaring problems with the evidence and investigations'
_are you going to tell us soon? Can't wait... No, really

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #818 on: November 21, 2022, 09:18:56 PM »


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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #819 on: November 21, 2022, 09:37:15 PM »
When the time machine is invented, we can all go back to 1963 to satisfy Martin's subjective, contrarian impossible standard of proof since all we have now is the evidence.

You mean the evidence that is so extremely weak it can't even meet any standard of proof?

You also appear very confused about whether you are having a discussion about the case on an Internet forum or defending a (guilty) client in a criminal trial subject to the rules and presumptions which govern such trials.

There is no confusion on my part. On your part, that's another matter. You seem to confuse asking questions and scrutinizing evidence on a public forum as "defending a (guilty) client". I'm not defending anybody. If and when you show me the evidence that Oswald is guilty, I will gladly accept that, but given the fact that you have proven to be unable to provide any conclusive evidence for your claims and can't defend or explain the conclusions of the WC either, I seriously doubt we will ever get to such a conclusion.

I am also not the one who is confused about "having a discussion about the case", as there is no such discussion. There is one person asking questions and asking for evidence and another person (that would be you) who runs away from any kind of discussion as fast as he can.

The bottom line is (and has been the same since 1963) a simple one; when you claim somebody committed two murders you will have to provide the evidence to prove it. It doesn't matter if that's in a court of law or the court of public opinion. You are making claims that you can not support with actual evidence and your "believe it because the WC said so" is just about the most pathetic part of it.

It also makes me wonder why you are active on this board. You clearly do not want to discuss the case against Oswald or answer questions and present evidence.

Your entire position on this board could have been dealt with in one single post, saying: "I believe the WC report and don't want to discuss it"

So the question needs to be asked again; what makes you return to the forum day after day writing meaningless posts about things you don't want to discuss?

You are not defending anyone?  LOL.  I've heard it all now.  Your every post here takes issue with some aspect of Oswald's guilt.  Typically, by applying a laughable impossible standard of proof to the evidence to suggest false doubt of his guilt, then refusing to acknowledge, much less address the absurdity of the direct implications of what you are suggesting having any validity.  What explanation there is for all the evidence and circumstances that lend themselves to Oswald's guilt if he was not the assassin are left to our imagination.  Just a grand mystery. Nothing to see there.  You are not even suggesting a conspiracy.  Just a great unknown in which everyone is supsect, and no one is a suspect.   

You act exactly like a pro bono defense attorney from a mail order law school defending a guilty client.   Your protestations to avoid admitting that you are a CTer are simply an acknowledgement of the absurdity of your claims.  A defense attorney doesn't have to explain anything.  They just nitpick the evidence in a desperate attempt to create doubt by any means.  Sound familiar?  And you are asking me why I spend time here when you suggest the case is unsolvable and the evidence uncovered by the investigation is incomplete or suspect.  What more is there for you discuss if you believe the case is unsolvable absent a time machine?  Even Bigfoot believers hold out hope of one day finding one, but you lecture us that the evidence in the JFK assassination is effectively flawed to the point of being unable to reach a conclusion. 

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #820 on: November 21, 2022, 10:00:41 PM »
'Book of Oswald'

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #821 on: November 21, 2022, 10:34:39 PM »
You are not defending anyone?  LOL.  I've heard it all now.  Your every post here takes issue with some aspect of Oswald's guilt.  Typically, by applying a laughable impossible standard of proof to the evidence to suggest false doubt of his guilt, then refusing to acknowledge, much less address the absurdity of the direct implications of what you are suggesting having any validity.  What explanation there is for all the evidence and circumstances that lend themselves to Oswald's guilt if he was not the assassin are left to our imagination.  Just a grand mystery. Nothing to see there.  You are not even suggesting a conspiracy.  Just a great unknown in which everyone is supsect, and no one is a suspect.   

You act exactly like a pro bono defense attorney from a mail order law school defending a guilty client.   Your protestations to avoid admitting that you are a CTer are simply an acknowledgement of the absurdity of your claims.  A defense attorney doesn't have to explain anything.  They just nitpick the evidence in a desperate attempt to create doubt by any means.  Sound familiar?  And you are asking me why I spend time here when you suggest the case is unsolvable and the evidence uncovered by the investigation is incomplete or suspect.  What more is there for you discuss if you believe the case is unsolvable absent a time machine?  Even Bigfoot believers hold out hope of one day finding one, but you lecture us that the evidence in the JFK assassination is effectively flawed to the point of being unable to reach a conclusion.

So many words and nothing interesting.

Your every post here takes issue with some aspect of Oswald's guilt. 

Because that's how it works, you fool! Unlike you, I'm not just going to assume Oswald is guilty. When you claim the evidence is conclusive there shouldn't be any problem with somebody like me taking issue with that evidence.

Typically, by applying a laughable impossible standard of proof to the evidence to suggest false doubt of his guilt,

I'm not applying an "impossible standard of proof". Just one that you and your precious evidence seems to be unable to meet. You are behaving like a litte child who can't throw a ball through a hoop and then complains that the hoop is too small. It's hilarious.

then refusing to acknowledge, much less address the absurdity of the direct implications of what you are suggesting having any validity.

What exactly am I suggesting?

What explanation there is for all the evidence and circumstances that lend themselves to Oswald's guilt if he was not the assassin are left to our imagination.

More to your imagination and closed mind. First of all, and you will never accept it, there is very little physical evidence and most of it was handled poorly. Secondly, "the circumstances that lend themselves to Oswald's guilt" is nothing more than his presence at the TSBD and his alleged presence at 10th/Patton about 45 minutes later. That's it!

Having said that, if the official narrative tells us the correct story, one of the things that has always puzzled me is Oswald leaving the TSBD to go to his rooming house without showing any interest in the events at Dealey Plaza.

You are not even suggesting a conspiracy.

Don't have to. If Oswald was indeed set up and he didn't kill Kennedy, it automatically follows that there must have been a conspiracy. That's a given. Some people come up with theories about who was involved etc, but that's not something I'm interested in. In my opinion, if there was indeed a conspiracy, it's highly unlikely we will ever find out who were behind it. I'm only looking into the case against Oswald by answering a simple question; does the evidence show he did it or not?

You act exactly like a pro bono defense attorney from a mail order law school defending a guilty client.

Hilarious. The "mail order law school" was particularly funny. But let me ask you this; do you have experience in dealing with pro bono defense attorneys from a mail order law school defending a guilty client?

A defense attorney doesn't have to explain anything.  They just nitpick the evidence in a desperate attempt to create doubt by any means.  Sound familiar?

Yes, that sounds familiar. So what? Your evidence can withstand scrutiny, can't it? Oh wait.... you don't present evidence.

And you are asking me why I spend time here when you suggest the case is unsolvable and the evidence uncovered by the investigation is incomplete or suspect. 

What's with all the "you suggest" BS.

What more is there for you discuss if you believe the case is unsolvable absent a time machine?

Where exactly did I say that I believe the case is unsolvable?

but you lecture us that the evidence in the JFK assassination is effectively flawed to the point of being unable to reach a conclusion.

I don't lecture anything. I'll leave that to you. But I'm glad you finally start to understand just how flawed the evidence is.  Thumb1:

One question; when will you be discussing the case against Oswald instead of constantly talking about all sorts of other stuff? You do know this is not the "attack Martin Weidmann forum" nor is it the "whining about disbelievers forum"?

Here's something novel, for once; why don't you provide the evidence that shows that Oswald was on the 6th floor of the TSBD when the shots were fired? Let's start with that, shall we?
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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #822 on: November 21, 2022, 11:49:08 PM »
'overlook the glaring problems with the evidence and investigations'
_are you going to tell us soon? Can't wait... No, really

Are you new here?

There are several super long threads about the problems with the evidence.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #823 on: November 22, 2022, 12:32:41 AM »
Are you new here?

There are several super long threads about the problems with the evidence.

The best thing I have ever done on this forum is to put Chapman on ignore. Not having to read his pathetic posts by putting him on ignore is something I recommend to everybody.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #823 on: November 22, 2022, 12:32:41 AM »