CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

[John Iacoletti]

Martin is absolutely right, Charles, you're being hypocritical.  You seem to think that Wade's 6-months-later "recollection" of Fritz telling him about a palmprint is somehow an unassailable truth even though Wade himself admits in the same testimony that it varies from the facts and that no palmprint was actually identified by the Dallas PD that night or at any other time.

Can you point to any contemporary mention or report of such a print before Oswald's death?

[Charles Collins]

Martin is absolutely right, Charles, you're being hypocritical.  You seem to think that Wade's 6-months-later "recollection" of Fritz telling him about a palmprint is somehow an unassailable truth even though Wade himself admits in the same testimony that it varies from the facts and that no palmprint was actually identified by the Dallas PD that night or at any other time.

Can you point to any contemporary mention or report of such a print before Oswald's death?

Martin was trying to compare two different books written by two different authors about different persons in two different situations.  As for your question, the newspaper article was published before Oswald's death. You can believe whatever you want to believe as to whether or not it is referring to the palm print. I really don't care.

[John Iacoletti]

Martin was trying to compare two different books written by two different authors about different persons in two different situations.

And your reason for trusting one and rejecting the other seems completely arbitrary and based solely on your preconceptions.

  As for your question, the newspaper article was published before Oswald's death. You can believe whatever you want to believe as to whether or not it is referring to the palm print. I really don't care.

The newspaper article says nothing about a palmprint, partial or otherwise.  The fact remains that the magic palmprint wasn't positively IDed until Latona examined the index card it was taped to on November 29th.  All the article shows is that an unnamed "investigator" was feeding misinformation to the press before Oswald's death.

[Charles Collins]

And your reason for trusting one and rejecting the other seems completely arbitrary and based solely on your preconceptions.

The newspaper article says nothing about a palmprint, partial or otherwise.  The fact remains that the magic palmprint wasn't positively IDed until Latona examined the index card it was taped to on November 29th.  All the article shows is that an unnamed "investigator" was feeding misinformation to the press before Oswald's death.

And your reason for trusting one and rejecting the other seems completely arbitrary and based solely on your preconceptions.

And what stated reason of mine are you referring to?

The newspaper article says nothing about a palmprint, partial or otherwise.  The fact remains that the magic palmprint wasn't positively IDed until Latona examined the index card it was taped to on November 29th.  All the article shows is that an unnamed "investigator" was feeding misinformation to the press before Oswald's death.

I have presented the words of several people who were there. Your opinion of them makes no difference to me.

[Thomas Graves]

All the newspaper article shows is that an unnamed "investigator" was feeding misinformation to the press before Oswald's death.

Iacoletti,

What makes you assume it was misinformation?

-- MWT 

[John Iacoletti]

Iacoletti,

What makes you assume it was misinformation?

Already discussed in the preceding posts, which you apparently didn't bother to read. 

Mr. BELIN. Do you have those photographs, sir? I will mark the two photographs which you have just produced Commission Exhibits 720 and 721. I will ask you to state what these are.
Mr. DAY. These are prints or pictures, I should say, of the latent--of the traces of prints on the side of the magazine housing of the gun No. C-2766.
Mr. BELIN. Were those prints in such condition as to be identifiable, if you know?
Mr. DAY. No, sir; I could not make positive identification of these prints.
Mr. BELIN. Did you have enough opportunity to work and get these pictures or not?
Mr. DAY. I worked with them, yes. I could not exclude all possibility as to identification. I thought I knew which they were, but I could not positively identify them.

If somebody told a reporter prior to Oswald's death that "We've got a print that matches Oswald's" on the rifle then it was misinformation.

[John Iacoletti]

And what stated reason of mine are you referring to?

You're accepting a 50-year-old recollection of Aynesworth as being a precise word-for-word quote of Henry Wade on a particular day (with no corroborating evidence) and rejecting (rightly so) Howard Brennan's 20-year-old recollection of seeing the president's head explode.

I have presented the words of several people who were there. Your opinion of them makes no difference to me.

What "several people"?  You're ignoring what Wade himself said in 1964 (along with Day and Latona) in favor of something Aynesworth claimed 50 years later that Wade said that Fritz said on November 22, 1963.  There's no record of Fritz ever mentioning this alleged print directly.

[Thomas Graves]

Already discussed in the preceding posts, which you apparently didn't bother to read. 

Mr. BELIN. Do you have those photographs, sir? I will mark the two photographs which you have just produced Commission Exhibits 720 and 721. I will ask you to state what these are.
Mr. DAY. These are prints or pictures, I should say, of the latent--of the traces of prints on the side of the magazine housing of the gun No. C-2766.
Mr. BELIN. Were those prints in such condition as to be identifiable, if you know?
Mr. DAY. No, sir; I could not make positive identification of these prints.
Mr. BELIN. Did you have enough opportunity to work and get these pictures or not?
Mr. DAY. I worked with them, yes. I could not exclude all possibility as to identification. I thought I knew which they were, but I could not positively identify them.

If somebody told a reporter prior to Oswald's death that "We've got a print that matches Oswald's" on the rifle then it was misinformation.

Iacoletti,

A bit of hyperbole on reporters' or the unnamed investigator's part, then?

Fair enough.

Thanks for the clarification.

-- MWT 

PS  Yet, regarding your doubt that Aynesworth remembered correctly many years later what Wade had said that Fritz had said, iirc YOU rely on a 54 year-old recollection (and from behind), in your ... gasp ... belief ... that Gloria Holt was really Gloria Calvery, and that Sharon Simmons was really ... uhh ... Karen Westbrook!

LOL