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Online Richard Smith

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #520 on: November 05, 2019, 04:08:01 PM »
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Apparently you've never worn a shirt that had a hole worn at the elbow..... I can tell you. ( and I'm sure there are others) that when there is a hole in the sleeve at the elbow when the arm is bent as Lee's is in the photo, the elbow usually pops out of the hole.

Link; Link .

You have told us a whole lot of things that are not true.  In these photos you can't see much of the shirt in the area of the elbow.  There is no way to confirm from the photos that you have cited whether there is or is not a hole in the area of the elbow.

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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #521 on: November 05, 2019, 06:29:43 PM »
Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else about his clothes that you can remember or his dress that you haven't talked about here?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir; I can't.
Mr. DULLES - Do you recall whether or not he was wearing the same clothes, did he appear to you the same when you saw him in the police station as when you saw him in the lunchroom?
Mr. BAKER - Actually just looking at him, he looked like he didn't have the same thing on.
Mr. BELIN - He looked as though he did not have the same thing on?
Mr. BAKER - He looked like he did not have the same on.


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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #523 on: November 05, 2019, 08:33:44 PM »
You know, if we had access to the formal forensic fingerprint analysis that matched the palm print to Oswald, at the very least it would tell us if there was a rush to judgement.

If it showed a legit match then we can move on and debate how it got there, etc., but until such time, there is much wheel spinning to be had regarding the palm print.

As far as how the rifle ended up on the 6th floor goes...it was planted, of course, without any of Oswald's prints on it. That tells us that Oswald was a patsy that didn't handle the rifle, just like he claimed. Then everything fits and we can move on from the untenable lone nut narrative, which is the fringe opinion these days.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #524 on: November 05, 2019, 09:27:47 PM »
You know, if we had access to the formal forensic fingerprint analysis that matched the palm print to Oswald, at the very least it would tell us if there was a rush to judgement.

If it showed a legit match then we can move on and debate how it got there, etc., but until such time, there is much wheel spinning to be had regarding the palm print.

As far as how the rifle ended up on the 6th floor goes...it was planted, of course, without any of Oswald's prints on it. That tells us that Oswald was a patsy that didn't handle the rifle, just like he claimed. Then everything fits and we can move on from the untenable lone nut narrative, which is the fringe opinion these days.

Oswald told his interrogators that he went to his room and changed his clothes before going to the movies.

Officer Marion Baker testified to the WC that Ozzie was wearing different clothes when he saw him at the police station, after his arrest, then when he observed him in the TSBD.

LE said fibers recovered from the rifle tied it to the shirt he was wearing when arrested.

If LE had legible prints on the rifle from LHO they wouldn't have found fibers on it from a shirt he wasn't wearing at 12:30 on 11/22/63. JMHO

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #525 on: November 05, 2019, 09:45:10 PM »
And your support for this claim is a photo which doesn't actually show most of Oswald's elbow?  Good grief.

Mr "Smith"....  Perhaps you should go back and take a refresher class on deception....

I've noticed that whenever a poster posts something vital, ( like the FACT that Lee's arrest shirt does NOT have a hole in the elbow)  You try your best to discredit that fact....   It's very obvious Mr "Smith".......

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #526 on: November 05, 2019, 10:25:33 PM »
Oswald told his interrogators that he went to his room and changed his clothes before going to the movies.

Officer Marion Baker testified to the WC that Ozzie was wearing different clothes when he saw him at the police station, after his arrest, then when he observed him in the TSBD.

LE said fibers recovered from the rifle tied it to the shirt he was wearing when arrested.

If LE had legible prints on the rifle from LHO they wouldn't have found fibers on it from a shirt he wasn't wearing at 12:30 on 11/22/63. JMHO

Walter E. Pots was one of the detectives who searched the room at 1026 N. Beckley..  He compiled a list of articles that he removed from Lee's room.  It is Potts exhibit A in Volume XXI page 140.    Potts describeted the shirt that he found in the drawer where Lee said he had put his dirty clothes.    Of particular interest..... Potts said that the brown shirt had a BUTTON DOWN collar.   And that's exactly what Lee Oswald said ....

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #527 on: November 05, 2019, 10:34:55 PM »
The brown shirt that Oswald took off at his boarding house was one of TWO brown shirts he had. The 2nd one, he put on, having same type of fiber and color as the 1st brown shirt, could NOT have been at TSBD during the shooting, so any test results from that 2nd shirt is of no value to prove the MC rifle was in Oswalds hands being fired at the TSBD on Nov 23/63

and a test of BOTH shirts producing SAME approximate characteristics might be something to consider, in regard that it would show that ANY shirt of same type could have been worn by someone else as much as by Oswald and fiber from THAT shooters shirt would ALSO match Oswalds shirts and could have been left on the MC rifle just the same.

Neither shirt as far as i am aware had any signs of gunpowder residue, neither from MC rifle nor the revolver. The jacket also, no gunpowder residue was stated found. Yet the paraffin test on Oswald's hand was positive.

Nowadays, the perspiration left in the shirts could be analyzed by DNA test and  linked to whomever wore the 1st shirt, but I guess that would not be possible 56 years later to conduct a DNA test of the 2 shirts Oswald supposedly wore that day of Nov 22/63?

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