CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

[Walt Cakebread]

The primary boxes north of the rifle are a row that's three-wide by two-high. They're all open in all the photos. What you pointing to is sealed box that on top of two others; it's sealed in all the photos.

No. The three open boxes don't move and the sealed box remains sealed.

Sunlight didn't get enough to the west side of the building for light to reach the tall stack until, I guess, 2:30 or later.



Studebaker took his in-situ photos about 1:25. The Alyea film shows no sunlight on the tall stack of boxes; Day had to take the rifle over to the window to see it better.


The sun also had to reach around the tall stack of carton on the pallet by the window. The post-discovery photos that have sunlight were taken much later than the in-situ photos.

C'mon Jerry...Try being honest with yourself......You know that the the boxes above the rifle that are wide open in the fake insitu photo were NOT wide open in the photo with the blue arrows.   And you should be intelligent enough to see that the fake in situ photo was taken after dark..... Just look at the box at camera left....That box should be bathed in bright sunshine but it is darker than the box that was directly in front of the camera flash.... IOW...the box to camera left didn't receive the same amount of light as the box directly in front of the camera.

[Walt Cakebread]

Studebaker is not aiming at the north edge of the pallet (where you just shifted your own location of the rifle). He's pointing here:



   Mr. BALL. Let's see the shots you took of the place where the gun was located?
   Mr. STUDEBAKER. I know it's mine because my knees are in the picture.

Studebaker is not aiming at the north edge of the pallet (where you just shifted your own location of the rifle). He's pointing here:

Of course not.....They had realized that Lee Oswald couldn't possible have hid the rifle beneath that pallet AFTER the shooting....So they had to move the rifle closer to the aisle to make it somewhat feasible for Lee to have put the rifle there ( as seen in there fake in situ photo) as he dashed by on his way with the encounter with Baker and Truly in the second floor lunchroom.

If you've viewed the WC "reenactment" of the insertion of the rifle then you should know beyond any doubt that Agent John Howlett couldn't replicate the imaginary  actions of Lee Oswald....So he had to used a light piece of 1" X 3" wood. He knew that he couldn't possibly have jammed the 8 pound, and 4 inch thick carcano  into the crack that was only 1 inch wide.

[Walt Cakebread]

Now all three boxes are not open. And you can't orientate the one box that is sealed. You're gettin' to be a Ralph Cinque.

The amount of light reflected back is conditioned on the how much surface is perpendicular to the flash.



Dark areas in a flash picture doesn't mean it was taken at night. Was this picture taken at night?

You simply can't be honest can you, Jerry  ?   

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

Just ask Fritz how many hulls he tossed onto the floor.

He died in 1984 you can try to ask him

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

The sealed box is the one stacked three-high.

Sealed box stacked three-high at upper-left; three open boxes visible between sealed box and tall stack

Sealed box stacked three-high at near-lower-left; three open boxes visible between sealed box and tall stack

Let's get this straight. You think Oswald shot that rifle from the 6th floor SE corner window very slowly because that is what Steve Austin's(Brennan) bionic eye-witnessed. And then you think Oswald ran as fast as Steve Austin across the 6th floor slowing down to calmly placed the rifle in that awful awkward spot and then raced down the stairs undetected like the invisible man, reappearing for Baker and all like it was a walk in the park. That is crazy. So he must have been the invisible man when leaving the building too, right?


                                                                           

[Walt Cakebread]

Boone and Weitzman guarded the site until it was photographed by Studebaker. Both Day and Studebaker said the rifle hadn't been touched prior to being picked up. Boone and Weitzman arrowed exhibits that point to the same row of boxes shown in the photos with the rifle on the floor.

I don't think that trumps Boone, Weitzman and Studebaker.

Jerry, is 14' 6" the same as 15' 4' ?  ......  Studebaker measured the distance from the north wall to the rifle, and recorded that distance as 15' 4"...

Why is there no bright sunshine in the in situ photo?   

Please explain how Lee Oswald could have placed the 4 inch thick rifle into a crack that was only about 1 inch wide?  ....And while you're explaining that tell me how he did that without leaving any finger prints on the rifle.     I'm sure you're not so obtuse that you think he could have wrestled the rifle into the crack and left no finger prints on the rifle.    You may recall that Lt Day reached out and picked the rifle by the leather sling and cleared the action of any live cartridges and then he started dusting for finger prints......  He found NONE......How would that be possible if Lee wrestled the rifle into the crack between the boxes. 

[Zeon Mason]

My point I was trying to make was that Weizmann must have seen the rifle INSIDE the 4” space gap of the pallet and this was where the rifle was originally before it was moved to the “set up” position as photographed

I have no doubt now that it WAS possible for a rifle to have been placed inside the  4” thru the open space under a pallet if the rifle is inserted thru either East or west end of a pallet

Therefore Walt’s theory of pre planting rifle is possible and is as simple as someone on ground floor wedging the rifle in the pallet using probably those wades pieces of paper seen in photo

The rifle is then transported to the 6th floor by the unwitting fork lift operator

It’s also possible that the rifle could have been placed inside the pallet after the shooting but IMO this would preclude Oswald having done so since travel time around to one of those available East or west end open part of a pallet and sliding rifle inside would add at least another 15 secs to the timeline which = Oswald cannot have made it to 2nd floor landing by 75 sec post shots fired.

My calculation of time required for Oswald on the 6th floor is as follows

5 secs to slowly withdraw rifle window allowing Malcolm Couch to spot it after hearing Bob Jackson shouting about seeing it

5 sec to get up from kneeling and get out of the tight space of the SN

25 secs to double time approx 8ft/ sec As Oswald travels 180 ft to get the boxes near staircase
(Note here added  3 sec for acceleration and deceleration to avg speed of 8ft/sec over 180ft= 22 sec

15 sec added to travel around stacked boxes, find the nearest pallet of boxes to hide the rifle underneath

10 sec to wipe rifle of prints and kneel down and insert rifle thru west end of the pallet while holding it with rag so as not to leave any prints
 
5 sec to get up from kneeling down at the pallet and travel to the staircase


Total time required = 65 secs of time used on the 6th floor before Oswald could have started a descent down the staircase at about a 10sec per floor pace.

Conclusions:
1.  Oswald cannot even barely make it to the 5th floor landing by 75 sec post shots
2. Oswald would not have passed by the 4th floor landing until 85 sec post shots therefore even higher probability Dorothy Garner should have seen him
before she saw Baker/Truly coming up the staircase

3.Oswald does not reach 2nd floor lunchroom until 105 sec post shots well beyond the 75 sec timeline required to have been seen by Baker as Baker looked thru the 2x2 window approx 80-83 sec post shots

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

What's "crazy" is that a Nazi is still allowed to post here.

Obviously Oswald didn't place the gun there. Now, what else were you trying to say? I think you are confused, we're not on that board. "Nazi"? You have a lot problems. You should sort them out they are interfering with this board. Your error