What physics reveals about the JFK event

[Matt Grantham]

 Shall we have a battle of questions that no one answers? You might find it instructive to respond to things that were actually said For example, their is no mention of explosive head wounds to which you responded with references about explosive head wounds Just sayin

[Jerry Organ]

Did any of the goats shot in those experiments undergo explosive head exit wounds or explosive exit wounds of any kind? If not, what is the relevance to the physics of the explosive head wound?

A goat's brain-case would not be comparable to a human's.

I heard it was called watermelon helper

 Was the military in on some conspiracy to use sub standard gels?

The science of ballistics in 1964 wasn't that advanced such that they had a specific simulant  for human brain.

I thought you were the one arguing against being too demanding on exacting standards of reproductions of the head shot? I am now confused about your standards

The melon experiments demonstrate the principal of "jet effect", which is what is seen in Z313ff. If you're after a duplication of the Kennedy head wound dynamics, you'll need an elaborate model with a bone-like casing and ballistic gel that simulates the human brain.
However the bullet could enter the center of the back of the skull and exit through the frontal bone. You would get "jet effect" but complain about it the trajectory being off-target. You would have to redo the experiment until all the things necessary converge. Say on the 100th try everything works right. But now you can say there was only a one-percent chance that the head shot was caused by a SN bullet that then produced "jet effect".
But the bullet that struck Kennedy in the back of the head was as unique in where it struck as that one-percent of duplication shots.

[Matt Grantham]

The science of ballistics in 1964 wasn't that advanced such that they had a specific simulant  for human brain.
The melon experiments demonstrate the principal of "jet effect", which is what is seen in Z313ff. If you're after a duplication of the Kennedy head wound dynamics, you'll need an elaborate model with a bone-like casing and ballistic gel that simulates the human brain.

 Are you saying a melon is a better representation of the dynamics than a skull with a below average brain substitute?

[Jerry Organ]

Are you saying a melon is a better representation of the dynamics than a skull with a below average brain substitute?

No. One has no hard tissue simulant. The other has a unsuitable brain simulant. One demonstrates the "jet effect". The other demonstrates the fracture pattern of a bullet to the rear of a skull.

Neither are a true duplication of the Kennedy head wound. But I'm pretty sure that no matter how close a future duplication is, CTs will always find fault with it. Andrew's science is definitely making no dent and I don't see where you've refuted it.

If not a shot from behind and above caused the entry wound on the top-back of the President's skull and "jet effect" from the same shot caused the explosive blow-out seen about the right ear and 313ff rearward motion, then please explain what did.

[Matt Grantham]

No. One has no hard tissue simulant. The other has a unsuitable brain simulant. One demonstrates the "jet effect". The other demonstrates the fracture pattern of a bullet to the rear of a skull.

Neither are a true duplication of the Kennedy head wound. But I'm pretty sure that no matter how close a future duplication is, CTs will always find fault with it. Andrew's science is definitely making no dent and I don't see where you've refuted it.

If not a shot from behind and above caused the entry wound on the top-back of the President's skull and "jet effect" from the same shot caused the explosive blow-out seen about the right ear and 313ff rearward motion, then please explain what did.

 Yes the jet effect exists in melons. That is as far as either of you have ever gotten The thread should be re-titled what melons say about the JFK head shot, and how just repeating momentum is never created lost as a backup mantra can make for an impenetrable truth claim. Bye bye

[Jerry Organ]

Yes the jet effect exists in melons. That is as far as either of you have ever gotten Congratulations on your delusional breakthrough

Please cite the study that denies a temporary cavity formation would not occur when a military-style bullet goes through the upper part of the skull.

[Andrew Mason]

Shall we have a battle of questions that no one answers? You might find it instructive to respond to things that were actually said For example, their is no mention of explosive head wounds to which you responded with references about explosive head wounds Just sayin

You are constantly moving the target.  The issue is whether the rearward motion of JFK's head after z313 could be caused by a shot from the rear causing an explosive exit wound that sent matter forward from the right front of his head.  You said that the Edgewood experiments disproved Alvarez ( ie.  disproved his contention that the explosive head wound is consistent with a shot from the rear and that, based on the laws of physics, this forward ejection of matter could explain the rearward motion of the head as recoil from that explosion).  I asked you how they that could  be the case, suggesting that there were no explosive wounds from the goats shot at Edgewood.  You seem to want to avoid the details.

[John Iacoletti]

Interesting how words like 'parroting' eventually pop up in exchanges with CTers.. along with 'sheep' and 'lemmings'

If the shoe fits...