CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?

[John Iacoletti]

No coaching there..

Was there a number two man in there?

 

[John Iacoletti]

And watching the trains doesn't rule out a Frazier head-angle that could be at a shallow angle off-plumb, with Oswald well-within his peripheral vision. The corner of his eye, and all that.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Do you have any evidence that Oswald carried a package into the TSBD building?

[John Mytton]

Yeah, we're supposed to trust Fritz's word-for-word recollection of conversations when Ball kept having him refer to his report when it conflicted with his testimony.

Not only Fritz, Holmes corroborates Fritz's testimony.

Mr. BELIN. Did anyone question him about curtain rods, that you remember?
Mr. HOLMES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. What was that about curtain rods?
Mr. HOLMES. Asked him if he brought a sack out when he got in the car with this young fellow that hauled him and he said, "Yes."
"What was in the sack?"
"Well, my lunch."
"What size sack did you have?"
He said, "Oh, I don't know what size sack. You don't always get a sack that fits your sandwiches. It might be a big sack."
"Was it a long sack?''
"Well, it could have been"
"What did you do with it?"
"Carried it in my lap."
"You didn't put it over in the back seat?"
"No." He said he wouldn't have done that.
"Well, someone said the fellow that hauled you said you had a long package which you said was curtain rods you were taking to somebody at work and you laid it over on the back seat."
He said, "Well, they was just mistaken. That must have been some other time he picked me up."
That is all he said about it.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Do you have any evidence that Oswald carried a package into the TSBD building?

No worries on the 22nd, Frazier's affidavit said Oswald still had the package under his arm as he entered the back door at the Loading dock.

I noticed that Lee had the package in his right hand under his arm, and the package was straight up and down, and he had his arm down, and you could not see much of the package. When we started walking, Lee was just a few feet ahead of me, but he kept waking faster than me, and finally got way ahead of me. I saw him go in the back door at the Loading Dock of the building that we work in, and he still had the package under his arm.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/frazierb4.htm

Btw the scenario that after they arrived at the TSBD, Oswald took the package and hid it as soon as he could, which ironically is exactly what he did at Frazier's house, indicates that Oswald had something to hide therefore this new narrative just makes your client look even more guilty! Congrats!

JohnM

[Jerry Freeman]

No worries.. Oswald took the package and hid it as soon as he could

Before I got in the car, I glanced in the back seat, and saw a big sack. It must have been about 2' long, and the top of the sack was sort of folded up, and the rest of the sack had been kind of folded under. I asked Lee what was in the sack, and he said "curtain rods", and I remembered that he had told me the day before that he was going to bring some curtain rods.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/frazierb4.htm
 A 24 inch bag that contained a 40 inch rifle. That is 10 pounds of stuff in a 5 pound bag and Oswald must have hid it in a 2 pound cubbyhole. Speculate away there----

[John Mytton]

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/frazierb4.htm
 A 24 inch bag that contained a 40 inch rifle. That is 10 pounds of stuff in a 5 pound bag and Oswald must have hid it in a 2 pound cubbyhole. Speculate away there----

 

Mr. BALL - All right.
When you got in the car did you say anything to him or did he say anything to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.

Mr. BALL - Did it look to you as if there was something heavy in the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I didn't pay much attention to the package because like I say before and after he told me that it was curtain rods and I didn't pay any attention to it, and he never had lied to me before so I never did have any reason to doubt his word.

Mr. BALL - Well, from the way he carried it, the way he walked, did it appear he was carrying something that had more than the weight of a paper?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, you know like I say, I didn't pay much attention to the package other than I knew he had it under his arm and I didn't pay too much attention the way he was walking because I was walking along there looking at the railroad cars and watching the men on the diesel switch them cars and I didn't pay too much attention on how he carried the package at all.

Mr. BALL - You will notice that this bag which is the colored bag, FBI Exhibit No. 10, is folded over. Was it folded over when you saw it the first time, folded over to the end?
Mr. FRAZIER - I will say I am not sure about that, whether it was folded over or not, because, like I say, I didn't pay that much attention to it.

Mr. BALL - But are you sure that his hand was at the end of the package or at the side of the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Like I said, I remember I didn't look at the package very much, paying much attention, but when I did look at it he did have his hands on the package like that.

Mr. BALL - Mr. Frazier, we have here this Exhibit No. 364 which is a sack and in that we have put a dismantled gun. Don't pay any attention to that. Will you stand up here and put this under your arm and then take a hold of it at the side?
Now, is that anywhere near similar to the way that Oswald carried the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, you know, like I said now, I said I didn't pay much attention--

JohnM

[Bill Chapman]

Was there a number two man in there?

 

Translation, please

[Bill Chapman]

Another brilliant evidence-based rebuttal from Chapman.

The fewer of your species left on the planet the better