CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?

[Martin Weidmann]

The problem is that those are not facts about Oswald either.

 

[John Mytton]

Well Watson, you are wrong again, as usual....

I don't give a damn about what you call "high confidence"... the bottom line is that Norman only heard sounds (of shots being fired and possibly shells dropping) but he did not see where the shots came from. He merely THOUGHT they came from above him....

I'm not going to let you go to the usual "give us an alternative" crap, when it is painfully obvious that Norman only heard some sounds and thought they were shots coming from above. It's beyond silly for you to keep fighting my use of the word "thought", even if - as you claim - Norman was right in what the thought, the fact still remains that Norman did not see anything and from what he heard he reached a conclusion.....

My use of the word "thought" was and is correct and you are making a complete fool of yourself trying to fight it.

Btw, if there had been a trial do you think Norman would be a witness for the prosecution?

Norman thought he heard a bolt action rifle above him and a bolt action rifle was discovered on the floor above.



Norman at the same time thought he heard expended cartridges hit the floor and shells were discovered on the floor directly above.



Norman went back to the 5th floor and according to him there was more street level noise than the 22nd and he heard the same sound.

Mr. BALL. And a Secret Service man went upstairs with a rifle, didn't he?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did you hear on the fifth floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, I heard the same sound, the sound similar. I heard three something that he dropped on the floor and then I could hear the rifle or whatever he had up there.
Mr. BALL. You could hear the rifle, the sound of an ejection?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear the sound of the bolt going back and forth?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; I sure did.
Mr. BALL. You could hear it clearly, could you?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.

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Mr. BALL. Now the day or the experiment last Friday when you heard the cartridges eject, the bolt action and the cartridges ejecting---
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Was there any noise outside?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; there was.
Mr. BALL. What was it?
Mr. NORMAN. There was a train and there were trucks and cars.
Mr. BALL. Was there more noise or less noise on the day you conducted the experiment last Friday, March 20, than on November 22, at 12:30?
Mr. NORMAN. It was more noise last Friday than it was November 22.

JohnM

[Colin Crow]

Mr. BALL. Was there more noise or less noise on the day you conducted the experiment last Friday, March 20, than on November 22, at 12:30?
Mr. NORMAN. It was more noise last Friday than it was November 22.

JohnM

Except for the sound of the gunfire I assume........

[Bill Chapman]

Well Watson, you are wrong again, as usual....

I don't give a damn about what you call "high confidence"... the bottom line is that Norman only heard sounds (of shots being fired and possibly shells dropping) but he did not see where the shots came from. He merely THOUGHT they came from above him....

I'm not going to let you go to the usual "give us an alternative" crap, when it is painfully obvious that Norman only heard some sounds and thought they were shots coming from above. It's beyond silly for you to keep fighting my use of the word "thought", even if - as you claim - Norman was right in what the thought, the fact still remains that Norman did not see anything and from what he heard he reached a conclusion.....

My use of the word "thought" was and is correct and you are making a complete fool of yourself trying to fight it.

Btw, if there had been a trial do you think Norman would be a witness for the prosecution?

Did Norman say he 'thought' he heard shots from above him? I think not.
Pretty sure he said he heard boom, click-click, and pings 3 times in close sequence.
To have heard the bolt action, and spent shells dropping, from anywhere else would be quite a stretch.

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

Craig Roberts alleges Hathcock said this. There's absolutely no proof he actually did so. Craig Roberts was (surprise surprise) touting his conspiracy book 'Kill Zone' at the time.
Were these guys better shots than Hathcock...I seriously doubt it. 

Did you listen to the video? Of course not.

Dan Rather's storytelling

1. Dan says the men who participated had NO familiarity with a Carcano. Sure, I bet none of them knew what the demonstration was for, too.

2. Dan says there were 11 who participated, he describes 3 of the results. So a sample of 11 and Dan gives a sub-sample. I wonder how many samples he went through before he found one guy who had a time of 5.22 seconds in a controlled environment. That time is twice as long but then again on Nov 22 1963, there was more than one shooter. Maybe Dan meant to combine the times of the 3 participants he showed.

[Bill Chapman]

Well Watson, you are wrong again, as usual....

I don't give a damn about what you call "high confidence"... the bottom line is that Norman only heard sounds (of shots being fired and possibly shells dropping) but he did not see where the shots came from. He merely THOUGHT they came from above him....

I'm not going to let you go to the usual "give us an alternative" crap, when it is painfully obvious that Norman only heard some sounds and thought they were shots coming from above. It's beyond silly for you to keep fighting my use of the word "thought", even if - as you claim - Norman was right in what the thought, the fact still remains that Norman did not see anything and from what he heard he reached a conclusion.....

My use of the word "thought" was and is correct and you are making a complete fool of yourself trying to fight it.

Btw, if there had been a trial do you think Norman would be a witness for the prosecution?

Where did Norman say he 'thought' he heard shots from above him?

Besides, Euins and Brennan saw the shooter in that window.
They were, in effect, Norman's eyewitnesses.

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

Where did Norman say he 'thought' he heard shots from above him?

Besides, Euins and Brennan saw the shooter in that window.
They were, in effect, Norman's eyewitnesses.

Brennan and Euins must have seen BRW we know he was up there plus BRW didn't see anyone else up there.
So that makes BRW an eyewitness to no one else being up there except himself.
No one had to see Oswald up there because BRW tells us he didn't see him or anyone else up there

[Colin Crow]

Williams vacated the SN a few minutes before the shooting. He was photographed on the 5th floor in reaction to the shots by Dillard. Edwards and Fisher both saw a white man in the SN just before the motorcade arrived. With window open a significant way according to them. Did the assassin lower it just as the motorcade turned onto Houston? Analysis of the Hughes and Branson films might indicate a change in position consistent with Fisher and Edwards recollection.