CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?

[John Mytton]

I guess Jarman and Williams just didn't have "hearing ability the equal of Norman's".

If they were all an equal distance away then you may have had a valid point.



JohnM

[John Iacoletti]

If they were all an equal distance away then you may have had a valid point.

If Williams hadn't been standing right next to Norman, then you may have had a valid point.

[Gary Craig]

Craig Roberts alleges Hathcock said this. There's absolutely no proof he actually did so. Craig Roberts was (surprise surprise) touting his conspiracy book 'Kill Zone' at the time.
Were these guys better shots than Hathcock...I seriously doubt it. 

--------------------   A CBS INVESTIGATION  --------------------------

-snip-

To recap all this, the CBS marksmen had:
1) a rifle with a quicker action
2) a better sighted scope
3) a target traveling in a straight line
4) practice firing with the weapon
5) a target on a steady speed
6) a somewhat larger target due to the slower speed of the target
7) no half window to fire out of like on the sixth floor
no thick window sill to lean out over to fire
9) most importantly, time to sight in on the first short before taking it.
CBS also gave their marksmen more time, as we shall see in their Test
#3.
CBS then reported: "Altogether the 11 volunteer marksmen made 37
attempts to fire 3 shots at a moving target.  Seventeen of those attempts
had to be called 'no time', because of trouble with the rifle."  (No time
meant that the target went outside the shooting area before all the shots
were fired.)  These 17 'no time' shots were not figured into their average
time for 3 shots.  CBS never even said where the shots that hit the target
were placed on this target.  But, they went on to claim 3 shots in 5.6
seconds could be achieved with a moving target.
The best of their marksmen was Howard Donahue.  He got off 3 hits
within 4.8 seconds on his third try.  He alone got three hits in one shooting
from the tower.  When he achieved this time, he had 2.5 seconds between
the second and third shots.  Several other of the CBS marksmen got 3
shots within 5.6 seconds, but none with the 2.5 seconds between shots 2
and 3.  Furthermore, none of the other marksmen that got the 3 shots in at
5.6 seconds did so on their first attempt.  But, they claimed LHO did just
that.

[John Mytton]

If Williams hadn't been standing right next to Norman, then you may have had a valid point.

Sorry, Norman who was directly underneath was still closer, try again.



Btw they weren't standing.



JohnM

[John Mytton]

He also didn't mention that in 17 of the 37 attempts, the shooters were unable to get off three shots because of difficulty operating the bolt.

Did they use C2766?

JohnM

[Gary Craig]

~snip~

Mr. EISENBERG. Do you think a marksman who is less than a highly skilled marksman under those conditions would be able to
shoot in the range of 1.2-mil aiming error?
Mr. SIMMONS. Obviously considerable experience would have to be in one's background to do so. And with this weapon, I
think also considerable experience with this weapon, because of the amount of effort required to work the bolt.
Mr. EISENBERG. Would do what? You mean would improve the accuracy?
Mr. SIMMONS. Yes. In our experiments, the pressure to open the bolt was so great that we tended to move the rifle off the
target, whereas with greater proficiency this might not have occurred.

~snip~

Mr. EISENBERG. When you say proficiency with this weapon, Mr. Simmons, could you go into detail as to what you mean--do
you mean accuracy with this weapon, or familiarity with the weapon?
Mr. SIMMONS. I mean familiarity basically with two things. One is the action of the bolt itself, and the force required
to open it; and two, the action of the trigger, which is a two-stage trigger.
Mr. EISENBERG. Can familiarity with the trigger and with the bolt be acquired in dry practice?
Mr. SIMMONS. Familiarity with the bolt can, probably as well as during live firing. But familiarity with the trigger
would best be achieved with some firing.

~snip~

Mr. EISENBERG. Why is there this difference between familiarity with the bolt and familiarity with the trigger in dry firing?
Mr. SIMMONS. There tends to be a reaction between the firer and the weapon at the time the weapon is fired, due to the
recoil impulse. And I do not believe the action of the bolt going home would sufficiently simulate the action of the recoil
of the weapon.


Mr. SIMMONS. Yes. But there are two stages to the trigger. Our riflemen were all used to a trigger with a constant pull.
When the slack was taken up, then they expected the round to fire. But actually when the slack is taken up, you tend to
have a hair trigger here, which requires a bit of getting used to.
Mr. McCLOY. This does not have a hair trigger after the slack is taken up?
Mr. SIMMONS. This tends to have the hair trigger as soon as you move it after the slack is taken up. You achieve or you
feel greater resistance to the movement of the trigger, and then ordinarily you would expect the weapon to have fired,
and in this case then as you move it to overcome that, it fires immediately. And our firers were moving the shoulder into
the weapon.

~snip~

[John Iacoletti]

Sorry, Norman who was directly underneath was still closer, try again.

a) how would you know who was closer to to the actual source of the shots?
b) how much closer than the guy kneeling (happy?) right next to him?

[Richard Smith]

 

 Big Mac logic:

Oswald worked on the 6th floor ------you got that right
His prints were on a box where he works-----that is normal but you are surprised
BRW was thereafter Oswald but before the assassination and did not see anyone.  Richard where was Oswald when BRW is eating when BRW is leaving? Is Oswald in a box or on the roof?


The Big Mac logic allows a person to make crazy assumptions, therefore, it is not a guide for proving something.

Richard, here's an example of how your Big Mac logic can give people like yourself a way to use fantasy to justify what you can not prove.

 "Hey guys, maybe Oswald was invisible when BRW was eating his lunch because when you are invisible no one can see you and that would be a good explanation for why BRW was unable to see Oswald"

Laughable.  If it was "normal" for employee prints to be on the SN boxes, then where are the prints of other employees?  So unlucky for Oswald to be implicated over and over again by bad luck!   You also forgot a couple of things Hamburglar.  Oswald's prints are on the long bag as well.  And his rifle is found on that floor.  And bullet casings fired from his rifle are found by the window from which witnesses saw a rifle (e.g. Brennan and Jackson).   And Oswald fled the scene not even bothering to ask what was going on after a cop pulled a gun on him.  And he got his pistol and shot a police officer.  Lied about owning a rifle and carrying any bag along the one described by Frazier.  And on and on.  It's a slam dunk.