CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?

[Bill Brown]

Here is a photo not long after the assassination, where did the running people come from?



A little bit later we see a cop running towards the railway overpass but we still see NO one running up the knoll, where are they?



The motorbike cop we saw running towards the railway was followed by the first witnesses and this is NO where near the popular grassy knoll assassin positions?



Here is more people starting to gather, some seem to be moving towards the cop at the railway overpass and still NO one is running up the Knoll steps, where did they come from?



So in conclusion it's obvious that people moved to this end of Elm street because this is where the President was shot and the people who were later running up the steps were not initially that close.

JohnM

[Bill Brown]

Seriously, "Richard"?  Not only was one of the prints unidentified, but Truly refused to allow all the employees to be fingerprinted.

No.

Every employee who had cause to handle the boxes found in the sniper's nest was indeed fingerprinted.

[Colin Crow]

The above doesn't lend itself to subscribing to this (below):

So Bonnie Ray Williams was not particularly close to Junior Jarman and Harold Norman, yet Jarman and Norman have a conversation with Williams designed to "protect" Williams from something related to the murder of the President of the United States of America.  That's difficult to get on board with.

Seems JohnM was able on board with it some time back. To each his own I guess. How else do you explain the willingness of Jarman and Norman to repeatedly stick with the story that Williams rode up with them on the elevator with them until their appearance before the WC. Just after the visit of Belin and Ball to Dallas to "sort thing out".

[Gary Craig]

In 1967 the autopsy pathologists (Humes, Boswell, and Finck), the acting chief of radiology (Ebersole) and one of the autopsy photographers (Stringer) viewed the autopsy photographs and/or X-rays and confirmed the photos and X-rays were accurate in the portrayal of the wounds of the President.

The Clark Panel studied the autopsy X-rays and photos and concluded that the head was struck once from above and behind.

The Rockefeller Commission studied the autopsy X-rays and photos and concluded that the head was struck once from behind.

The HSCA forensic panel studied the autopsy X-rays and photos (and interviewed the Kennedy autopsy personnel in order to verify the validity of the photos and X-rays) and concluded that the head was struck from behind.

In 1964 the WC said JFK was struck in the skull slightly above and slightly to the right of the external occipital proburence (EOP).

When critics noted the EOP wound location didn't work with a TSBD 6th floor SE corner shooter the Clark Panel was formed and conveniently moved the wound 4 inches higher on the skull to conform with the official LN narrative.

The Panel said the trail of metal particles high in JFK's skull, visible in the x-ray below, show the wound location.



The autopsy doctors noted that photo's they had made of the inside and outside of the EOP wound in the skull were no longer among the autopsy materials in the archive.

Without those photo's the Rockefeller Commission and HSCA had no choice but to agree with the Clark Panel's wound location.

The autopsy doctors stood by their original EOP wound conclusions until death.

IMO the Clark Panel located a second wound in JFK's skull.

[Gary Craig]

John Connally heard the first.  He knew for a fact that he was not hit by this shot.  He mistakenly assumed that the President was hit by this shot.

John Connally knew he was hit by the next shot.  He knew that the President was hit in the head by the final shot.  He knew that the President was hit only twice.  Since he mistakenly assumed that the President was hit by the first shot, he also mistakenly assumed that this second shot (which did hit him) did not hit the President.

The Zapruder film verifies that these two men were NOT hit by separate shots.

The Zapruder film gets interpreted to show whatever pet theory the proponent needs it to show.

John Connally's wife, Nellie, was sitting next to him in the Limo. She testified she heard the sound, saw JFK react to being hit before JBC was hit by and reacted to the second shot.

[Gary Craig]

Straw man.  Howard Brennan would not be called by the Prosecution.

You sure. Jerry Ford called him the most important witness.

[Gary Craig]

Do you mean film of many people running up the knoll AFTER every single vehicle in the motorcade has passed through?  How much time do you believe passed between the last shot and "many more people running up the grassy knoll"?


Marrion Baker is seen on film immediately running towards the front entrance of the building that deals with school books.

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Decker_Ex_5323.pdf

DECKER EXHIBIT No. 5323

-snip-

"As I heard the
first retort, I looked back over my shoulder and saw
what appeared to me to be a spray of water come out of
the rear seat of the President's car . At this same
moment, Mr. Lawson said, "Let's get out of here and
get to the nearest hospital". When I heard the shots
I noted motorcycle officers coming off their cycles
and running up the embankment on Dealey Plaza."

-snip-

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Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November 23, 1963
personally appeared Hugh William Betzner, Jr . Address 5922 Velasco, Dallas
Age 22

-snip-

"Then the President's car sped on
under the underpass . Police and a lot of spectators started running up
the hill on the opposite side of the street from me to a fence of wood . I
assumed that that was where the shot was fired from at that time . I kept
watching the crowd."

-snip-

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Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November 22, l963
personally appeared S . M. Holland Address 1119 Lucille, Irvin

-snip-

"I looked over toward the arcade and trees and saw a puff of
smoke come from the trees and I heard three more shots after the first
Shot but that was the only puff of smoke I saw . I immediately ran around
to where I could see behind the arcade and did not see anyone running
from there . But the puff of smoke I saw definitely came from behind
the arcade through the trees."

-snip-

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Before me, the undersigned authority. on this the 22nd day of November 23, 1963
personally appeared William Eugene Newman

-snip-

"Then the car sped away and
everybody in that area had run upon top of that little mound . I thought the
shots had come from the garden directly behind me, that was on an elevation
from where I was as I was right on the curb. I do not recall looking toward
the Texas School Book Depository . I looked back in the vaccinity of the Garden."

-snip-

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Before me, the undersigned authority. on this the 22nd day of November 1963
personally appeared Mr J.C. Price Address 9602 Astor, Dallas

"This day at about 1235 PM I was on the roof of the Termanel Annex Bldg on the
NE Corner when the presidential Motorcade came down Main to Houston, North on
Houston and then West on Elm. The cars had proceeded West on Elm and was
just a short distance from the Triple underpass, when I saw Gov Connelly
slump over . I did not see the president as his car had gotten out of my
view under the underpass . There was a volley of shots, I think five and then
much later, maybe as much as five minutes later another one . I saw one man
run towards the passenger cars on the railroad siding after the volley of shots.
This man had a white dress shirt, no tie and kahki colored trousers . His hair
appeared to be long and dark and his agility running could be about 25 yrs of
age. He had something in his hand."

-snip-

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Before me. the undersigned Authority, on this the 23rd day of November 1963
personally appeared Malcolm Summers.

"Yesterday, November 22, 1963, I was standing on the terrace of the
small park on Elm Street to watch the President's motorcade . The
President's car had just come up in front of me when I heard a shot
and saw the President slump down in the car and heard Mrs. Kennedy
say, "Oh, no" ., then a second shot and then I hit the ground as I
realized these were shots . Then all of the people started running
up the terrace away from the President's car and I got up and started
running also, not realizing what had happened . In just a few moments
the President's car sped off and everybody was just running around
towards the railroad tracks and I knew that they had somebody trapped
up there."

-snip-

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COUNTY OF DALLAS
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
SUPPLEMENTARY INVESTIGATION . REPORT
Name of Complainant
PRESIDENT JOHN F . KENNEDY
ASSASSINATION


-snip-

"I ran around the Corner and directly across the street across the Dealy
Plaza to the Elm street side of the triple underpass . As we were
running across the street, we could see the presidential car pulling away
under the underpass and we continued on to the immediate area. Some stopped
to talk to people standing there as there were a number of women who
were hysterical. We could not get any information except that the
President had been shot, Several of the other officers in the group ran
on into the freight yards."

-snip-

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ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY

COUNTY OF DALLAS
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
SUPPLEMENTARY INVESTIGATION REPORT
Officer A . D. McCurley, Deputy Sheriff, Dallas County Sheriff's Office .
Ralph Walters

"I heard a retort and immediately recognized it as the sound of a rifle. I started running around the corner where I knew the
President's car should be and in a matter of a few seconds heard a second shot and then a third shot, I, along with other
officers who had been standing near me, all started running and I rushed towards the park and saw people running towards
the railroad yards beyond Elm street..."

-snip-

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Decker_Ex_5323.pdf

[Bill Chapman]

The Zapruder film gets interpreted to show whatever pet theory the proponent needs it to show.

John Connally's wife, Nellie, was sitting next to him in the Limo. She testified she heard the sound, saw JFK react to being hit before JBC was hit by and reacted to the second shot.

Connally heard the first & third shots. The second one put him into shock. If you don't hear the shot that hits you, you're either dead or in shock.

Figure out how to engage your peripheral vision and you'll find that JFK/LBJ react simultaneously to the twofer.