POLL. Is John Iacoletti right to separate the coupon from the envelope in CE773?

[John Mytton]

Now isn't that a sound basis for an authentication....... 

Exactly, Waldman took the authentic microfilm from the records and sighted the rifle order. How much more authentication is needed?

Mr. WALDMAN. We were able to determine from our purchase records the date in which the rifle had been received, and they also had a record of when it had been shipped, so we knew the approximate date of receipt by us, and from that we made---let's see, we examined our microfilm records which show orders from mail order customers and related papers, and from this determined to whom the gun had been shipped by us.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Exactly, Waldman took the authentic microfilm from the records and sighted the rifle order. How much more authentication is needed?

Mr. WALDMAN. We were able to determine from our purchase records the date in which the rifle had been received, and they also had a record of when it had been shipped, so we knew the approximate date of receipt by us, and from that we made---let's see, we examined our microfilm records which show orders from mail order customers and related papers, and from this determined to whom the gun had been shipped by us.

JohnM

And your point is?

[John Mytton]

And your point is?

Go the Blues!

JohnM

[Denis Pointing]

I can't prove there is microfilm, I guess you can't either. So you are supporting evidence that does not exist?

Poor Peter, you really do get yourself so tied up in knots, don't you, so very easily confused. LOL You're not meant to prove the microfilm exists, you were the one who claimed it didn't exist, remember? You were asked to back up that claim but you can't do that, can you? Fact is, you don't even have a clue where or how to start.    Peter, do yourself a favour, have a sit down, gather up your thoughts and try to remember exactly what it is you're attempting to do here because at the moment, all your doing is making yourself look very silly. OK, 'smart guy' hope that helps.   

[Richard Smith]

Indeed... on 11/23/63, and turned it over to the FBI never to see it again until his WC testimony months later

Now isn't that a sound basis for an authentication....... 

Whew.  Klein's searched their records and found the relevant microfilm.  How exactly would the microfilm be in Klein's possession to turn over to the FBI if it were not "authentic"?  What do you even mean by "authentic" in this context? Are you suggesting fantasy conspirators somehow gained access to Klein's records and inserted the microfilm then asked Klein's to turn them over?  That is just the stuff that a pro bono defense attorney (calling Roger Collins) might suggest hoping to confuse a not very bright juror.  Not something that is realistic.  And so many conspirators to pull all this together despite your protestations of never suggesting a conspiracy. 

[Martin Weidmann]

Whew.  Klein's searched their records and found the relevant microfilm.  How exactly would the microfilm be in Klein's possession to turn over to the FBI if it were not "authentic"?  What do you even mean by "authentic" in this context?  Are you suggesting fantasy conspirators somehow gained access to Klein's records and inserted the microfilm then asked Klein's to turn them over?  That is just the stuff that a pro bono defense attorney (calling Roger Collins) might suggest hoping to confuse a not very bright juror.  Not something that is realistic.  And so many conspirators to pull all this together despite your protestations of never suggesting a conspiracy.

How exactly would the microfilm be in Klein's possession to turn over to the FBI if it were not "authentic"?

Who ever said that the microfilm Klein's handed to the FBI was not authentic?

Are you suggesting fantasy conspirators somehow gained access to Klein's records and inserted the microfilm then asked Klein's to turn them over?

No, that's just you making up another strawman argument.

[John Iacoletti]

Exactly, Waldman took the authentic microfilm from the records and sighted the rifle order. How much more authentication is needed?

Mr. WALDMAN. We were able to determine from our purchase records the date in which the rifle had been received, and they also had a record of when it had been shipped, so we knew the approximate date of receipt by us, and from that we made---let's see, we examined our microfilm records which show orders from mail order customers and related papers, and from this determined to whom the gun had been shipped by us.

What is your evidence that Waldman ever personally "sighted the rifle order".  And who is "we" in "we examined our microfilm records"?  And who is the "they" who "had a record of when it had been shipped"?

[John Iacoletti]

Did the original Klein's microfilm show something different from what we eventually saw in the Waldman exhibits?

This is from Commission Document 296:



Let this sink in....

- Where did the FBI get $21.95 from if the Hidell order blank says $21.45?
- How did they know it was purchased with a postal money order, and where did they get the information that it was issued on March 20?
- If the Klein's records actually contained the C2766 serial number, why did they only say that it was a "similar" rifle?