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Online Tom Mahon

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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #176 on: January 06, 2025, 08:47:02 PM »
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The first shot [...] took place even earlier than Z160.


Correct.

Two seconds earlier, at "Z-124."
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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #177 on: January 07, 2025, 03:42:16 AM »
Correct.

Two seconds earlier, at "Z-124."

   We gotta problem when conjecture is posted as if it were a fact. The above is an Opinion. Nothing more.

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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #178 on: January 08, 2025, 05:19:30 AM »

   We gotta problem when conjecture is posted as if it were a fact. The above is an Opinion. Nothing more.


You haven't read the 22-page article by Roselle and Scearce, yet, have you?

https://www.acsr.org/post/estimating-occult-timing-of-surprise-gunshot-sounds-in-silent-film-via-observed-start-of-human-vol


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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #179 on: January 08, 2025, 12:14:33 PM »
You haven't read the 22-page article by Roselle and Scearce, yet, have you?

https://www.acsr.org/post/estimating-occult-timing-of-surprise-gunshot-sounds-in-silent-film-via-observed-start-of-human-vol

   We continue coming back to the "ear witness" stuff. You can't have it both ways. You rely on the "ear" and you then have an issue with the time involved to physically work a bolt action rifle.

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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #180 on: January 08, 2025, 12:23:42 PM »
We continue coming back to the "ear witness" stuff. You can't have it both ways. You rely on the "ear" and you then have an issue with the time involved to physically work a bolt action rifle.

Roselle's and Scearce's study had nothing to do with what those seven witnesses said, but how they were caught on film physically reacting to the sounds of Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot.

Since that shot was at "Z-124" and the next one was at approximately Z-222, Oswald had approximately 5.35 seconds to "work the bolt" and recycle a round into the chamber for his second shot.

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« Reply #181 on: January 08, 2025, 12:41:20 PM »

 The reaction you are seeing from people on the film is the result is what they HEARD = EAR. Ear witnesses overwhelmingly have the 2nd and 3rd shots far too close together for those shots to have been fired by the same bolt action rifle. Holland's "The Lost Bullet" displays Amos Euins banging out those 3 shots. Euins demonstration of the timing of Shots #2 and #3 are too close together.

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« Reply #182 on: January 08, 2025, 12:56:24 PM »
The reaction you are seeing from people on the film is the result is what they HEARD = EAR. Ear witnesses overwhelmingly have the 2nd and 3rd shots far too close together for those shots to have been fired by the same bolt action rifle. Holland's "The Lost Bullet" displays Amos Euins banging out those 3 shots. Euins demonstration of the timing of Shots #2 and #3 are too close together.

Lots of witnesses, including Amos Euins, were confused by the sounds of the muzzle blasts and supersonic "cracks" in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.

That's why Roselle and Scearce focused on the captured-on-film conscious (as opposed to "startle") physical reactions of those seven witnesses to the first, and only the first, shot.

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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #183 on: January 08, 2025, 06:24:54 PM »
Lots of witnesses, including Amos Euins, were confused by the sounds of the muzzle blasts and supersonic "cracks" in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.

That's why Roselle and Scearce focused on the captured-on-film conscious (as opposed to "startle") physical reactions of those seven witnesses to the first, and only the first, shot.

D'oh

   So you wanna rely on what they label a "conscious reaction" vs a "startle reaction"? I would contend the seven witnesses have been "noise conditioned" by the consistent backfires of the DPD motorcycles which are spread throughout the motorcade. That "reaction" well was poisoned by all of the motorcycle backfires.

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« Reply #183 on: January 08, 2025, 06:24:54 PM »