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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #80 on: July 11, 2019, 07:13:04 PM »
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The above is a frame from the Dorman film. As you can see Rosemary Willis is running and is about to run behind two men standing at the curb who look like they have cameras. Does anyone know if one of these two men is Phil Willis just before taking his slide #4?

Edit: Never mind, my error. They both are clapping and do not appear to have cameras. Phil Willis was a little further west when he took slide #4, then moved a little further west to take slide #5.
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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #81 on: July 11, 2019, 10:21:55 PM »
I think that it [sic] there was really something there, other people would have seen it years ago.  Walt insists that he sees a rifle sticking out of the window in the Powell photo.

Like, if the world was round, someone would have proved it before Magellan and Elcano sailed around it?

--MWT  ;)

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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #82 on: July 11, 2019, 10:56:53 PM »
Like, if the world was round, someone would have proved it before Magellan and Elcano sailed around it?

No, it's more like somebody today saying that the world looks flat to him, therefore it must be flat.

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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #83 on: July 12, 2019, 12:06:06 AM »
No, it's more like somebody today saying that the world looks flat to him, therefore it must be flat.

The creation of my 3D mock-up gave me a new tool. For the first time, I was able to see what some things should have looked like from various angles. I had seen the Hughes clip before but didn't have an accurate idea of what to look for. The movement (reportedly detected in an earlier study) happens to be in the same area of the window where I now believe, thanks to the mock-up, that the rifle would be (if he were tracking the motion of the limo at that point in time). So, armed with a better idea of what I should be looking for, I believe I now see something that resembles the rifle.


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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #84 on: July 12, 2019, 02:50:06 AM »
The creation of my 3D mock-up gave me a new tool. For the first time, I was able to see what some things should have looked like from various angles. I had seen the Hughes clip before but didn't have an accurate idea of what to look for. The movement (reportedly detected in an earlier study) happens to be in the same area of the window where I now believe, thanks to the mock-up, that the rifle would be (if he were tracking the motion of the limo at that point in time). So, armed with a better idea of what I should be looking for, I believe I now see something that resembles the rifle.

Charles,

I complement you on your discovery.

I hope some day someone more gifted with "computers" than I will be able to isolate or "bring out" the two horizontal stripes in Gloia Calvery's skirt as she's standing on a TSBD lower step in the Darnell part of Couch-Darnell.

-- MWT  ;)
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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #85 on: July 12, 2019, 03:24:10 AM »
The creation of my 3D mock-up gave me a new tool. For the first time, I was able to see what some things should have looked like from various angles. I had seen the Hughes clip before but didn't have an accurate idea of what to look for. The movement (reportedly detected in an earlier study) happens to be in the same area of the window where I now believe, thanks to the mock-up, that the rifle would be (if he were tracking the motion of the limo at that point in time). So, armed with a better idea of what I should be looking for, I believe I now see something that resembles the rifle.

From a copy of The Lost Bullet, here is the Hughes digitized film and I can definitely see something move into position in the sniper's nest window which corresponds with the position in your 3d graphic.  Thumb1:

The following graphic suffers from the usual gif restrictions but even in this copy from a copy from a copy, movement can be seen.





@ about 40:00


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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #86 on: July 12, 2019, 06:12:28 AM »
 

There is some "grain noise" altering the registration on the film. That is normal for 8-mm film. What's happening in the SN window is significantly more than that.

I agree with John M. that there is movement in the open area of the SN window.

Seems primarily over the boxes by the window sill rather than between the boxes and the east-side window frame.

This particular Hughes sequence, per Myers, stops 13.16 sec before the head shot. About 3.3 sec before Z133 or 4.6 sec before Z157.



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There is some "grain noise" altering the registration on the film. That is normal for 8-mm film. What's happening in the SN window is significantly more than that.

Agreed.

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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #87 on: July 12, 2019, 12:22:53 PM »
Charles,

I complement you on your discovery.

I hope some day someone more gifted with "computers" than I will be able to isolate or "bring out" the two horizontal stripes in Gloia Calvery's skirt as she's standing on a TSBD lower step in the Darnell part of Couch-Darnell.

-- MWT  ;)

Thanks Thomas, yes we all want more details of exactly what took place. It is amazing that we have as many details as we do. But some of them just bring up more questions.

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« Reply #87 on: July 12, 2019, 12:22:53 PM »