How to wipe down your weapon of choice real quick

[Bill Chapman]

Hello...are you actually citing a fantasy "movie" to make your point? And what was in that briefcase, anyway? Royale with cheese, I say! At least is wasn't a commercial.

You lot ignore the universally-known fact that usable fingerprints are extremely hard to recover.
A simple wipe with a sleeve or a cloth can render them useless for ID purposes.
The science backs me up here. And the way I sometimes make my point involves using visuals.
It's what what artists/designers do. BTW, do you lot know what a 'storyboard' is, by any chance?

And finally, are you claiming that usable fingerprints are easy to find and hard to remove?

[Mitch Todd]

OK it was actually a Mac-10. Whoopispombleprofglidnoctobuns!!
These guys are so desperate for their 'gotcha' moment that they start peeing in their pants
BTW If one watches carefully... Bruce fails to wipe down the bottom of the barrel.

It's not a gotcha, just a PSA. If you're going to bring it up, Freeman, do it right.

[John Iacoletti]

The prints he found were purported to be good clear prints.    We can safely assume that the prints were NOT Lee Oswald's prints because it they had been they would have been enlarged to cover the the cover of LIFE magazine, just as they did with the BY photo.

Kinda like the way they didn't find any of Oswald's prints on the lunch bag and soft drink bottle so they decided they weren't useful and discarded them.

[John Iacoletti]

Hello...are you actually citing a fantasy "movie" to make your point?

He's unnaturally fixated on movie clips.

[Jack Trojan]

You lot ignore the fact that fingerprints are extremely hard to recover
A simple wipe with a sleeve or a cloth can render them useless for ID purposes
The science backs me up here

You mean the scientific method? You can test your claims by doing an easy peasy experiment. Take a rifle (preferably the MC but a Mauser will do ) then get Walt to:

1) Disassemble the rifle so it will fit into a ~34" long bag
2) If you iz a smart assassin, wipe down all the parts thoroughly
3) With gloves, place the pieces into the "clean" bag
4) With your bare hands carry the bag any way you like the same approx. distance as Oz did right up to the 6th floor of the TSBD
5) With your bare hands remove the pieces from the bag and reassemble the rifle
6) Take 3 shots in less than 10 seconds and work that bolt and hope to hell you don't lock up (don't load the clip private!)
7) Barehand the rifle <1 minute tops before ditching it (this is the control)
   7b) *For your 2nd round, wipe off the prints like Oz supposedly did before dusting for prints
8 ) With gloves, take the bag and your rifle to your subterranean basement forensic lab to dust and lift the prints
9) Note the quality, quantity of the prints on both items and document all the evidence with photos
10) Wipe off the prints with your sleeve and note how long it takes it remove and/or smear the dusted prints

11) *Bonus>>>Do the same with Oz's .38 that killed Tippit. Oz left no prints on that one and the hulls either

Have a few Oz surrogates do 2 rounds each and I'll bet you get your answer. Or you can get Walt to do it. He'd never fudge the data.

BTW, how many smeared prints were found on the rifle anyway? And what about all the DPD that manhandled it? What about their prints? What would your experts say about the likelihood of having zero prints, smeared or otherwise? That would be devastating to your case, right? You would expect a reassembled rifle to be loaded with prints. The rifle should be a mess of smeared prints. So where are the damn reports? Where are all the forensics? Didn't the FBI think this kind of stuff was important? Wasn't this the assassination of the POTUS? The whole thing stinks from start to finish. Ignore it at your peril.

Good luck! 

[Bill Chapman]

He's unnaturally fixated on movie clips.

Not that you're stalking me..

[Bill Chapman]

You mean the scientific method? You can test your claims by doing an easy peasy experiment. Take a rifle (preferably the MC but a Mauser will do ) then get Walt to:

1) Disassemble the rifle so it will fit into a ~34" long bag
2) If you iz a smart assassin, wipe down all the parts thoroughly
3) With gloves, place the pieces into the "clean" bag
4) With your bare hands carry the bag any way you like the same approx. distance as Oz did right up to the 6th floor of the TSBD
5) With your bare hands remove the pieces from the bag and reassemble the rifle
6) Take 3 shots in less than 10 seconds and work that bolt and hope to hell you don't lock up (don't load the clip private!)
7) Barehand the rifle <1 minute tops before ditching it (this is the control)
   7b) *For your 2nd round, wipe off the prints like Oz supposedly did before dusting for prints
8 ) With gloves, take the bag and your rifle to your subterranean basement forensic lab to dust and lift the prints
9) Note the quality, quantity of the prints on both items and document all the evidence with photos
10) Wipe off the prints with your sleeve and note how long it takes it remove and/or smear the dusted prints

11) *Bonus>>>Do the same with Oz's .38 that killed Tippit. Oz left no prints on that one and the hulls either

Have a few Oz surrogates do 2 rounds each and I'll bet you get your answer. Or you can get Walt to do it. He'd never fudge the data.

BTW, how many smeared prints were found on the rifle anyway? And what about all the DPD that manhandled it? What about their prints? What would your experts say about the likelihood of having zero prints, smeared or otherwise? That would be devastating to your case, right? You would expect a reassembled rifle to be loaded with prints. The rifle should be a mess of smeared prints. So where are the damn reports? Where are all the forensics? Didn't the FBI think this kind of stuff was important? Wasn't this the assassination of the POTUS? The whole thing stinks from start to finish. Ignore it at your peril.

Good luck! 

Are you claiming the investigators manhandled the Carcano?

[Gerry Down]

Are you claiming the investigators manhandled the Carcano?

Well they did. Fritz worked the bolt to eject the remaining bullet and did so without testing the bolt action for fingerprints. Plus he didn't take photos of the rifle in situ.