Dark Complected Man outside TSDB?

[Sim Heninger]

    The photo I am referring to is a view of a gaggle of men from Above. The somewhat blurry B/W Photo I referenced shows 3 or 4 guys standing around in somewhat of a circle. One of them is wearing a hat very similar to the hat worn by Dark Complected Man and among them there is rifle in a raised position. The rifle barrel is pointed skyward and is unmistakable as being a rifle. It might be the same guys as we see above. Impossible to say based on the lack of clarity.

At first I thought you must be referring to the Mentesana film of the east side of the TSBD, which does show a "gaggle," a rifle, is taken from a point higher than the men in it, and shows someone with headgear similar to DCM's.  But Mentesana filmed in color...but I also vaguely remember a picture or pictures  of the same group, in B & W, taken from a high TSBD window.

Any way you could post the photo?

Thanks, Royell.
Sim

[Sim Heninger]

Interestingly, I came across some corroborating evidence in the form of a written interview with someone claiming to have been DCM  -- stating that at around 13:30pm he [DCM] was in the vicinity of the TSDB. I'll post the interview at some point.

Please do post this item, Robert, sounds very interesting, especially because there's so little on DCM besides photos.

Thanks, Sim

[James Hackerott]

Tha shadows look longer than what they would have been at 1:30, more consistent with later in the afternoon.  Aerial photos might help some with that question, also see James Hackelrod's thread, "Peristyle Time Clock".

Robert, please do post the written claims of someone that he is the Dark Complected Man...sounds very interesting.

Nice thread,
Sim

I'll post this summary animated collage tonight, but will discuss it tomorrow.
Thanks for the plug, but its Hackerott.

[Duncan MacRae]

If you look closely, you'll see a DCM lookalike in this Video.
I raised this issue many years ago, and it turned out not to be DCM, different Jacket and appears younger.
The guy in Robert's opening post is  almost certainly the same younger guy who can be seen in this Video watching Howard Brennan being escorted into a car.

DCM had almost certainly left Dealey Plaza by the time of the events in the above Video.

[Robert Reeves]

If you look closely, you'll see a DCM lookalike in this Video.
I raised this issue many years ago, and it turned out not to be DCM, different Jacket and appears younger.
The guy in Robert's opening post is  almost certainly the same younger guy who can be seen in this Video watching Howard Brennan being escorted into a car.


DCM had almost certainly left Dealey Plaza by the time of the events in the above Video.

I presume you mean the guy in the middle? looks like he is wearing a dark shirt or under-jacket



Duncan, do you know who it was that first spotted DCM in WFAA-TV footage of DCM walking across the grass? I thought Gerda Dunckel? and any idea the time frame he was discovered ... Dunckel's youtube clip was dated around 2011.

[Sim Heninger]

Thanks for the plug, but its Hackerott.

Many sorrows for my messing up your name, James.  The quoting system on the forum was messing with my human brain, I think I took it out on an innocent bystander.

The shadows graphic is phenomenal...right down to the manhole.  Anxious to get your own thoughts on it.

Sim

[James Hackerott]

Absolutely no problem Sim.

[James Hackerott]

Here are shadow studies for two of the Tramps photos. I get similar results of 2:15-2:25 pm for the timing. It would be great, and appreciated, if anyone interested and in Dealey Plaza on a sunny day close to November 22 would take photos of the pergola at intervals around 2:00-2:20 for comparison with the simulations. My attempts to use the Houston street street light shadow are not working well. Partially, I think there is some leaning of that tall pole that so far I've not modeled correctly.
 
Tramps1


In the upper left corner we see most of the north pergola. We are concerned with the forward vertical column just to the right of the Thornton sign and the next column to the right (east). The western column is totally in shadow, while the eastern column's face is fully sunlit. The closeup animation below runs from 1-3pm. There is a narrow range of 2:15-2:25pm that is consistent with the tramp photo.


(having a problem getting a photo loaded - will try tomorrow)
At left center the north reflection pool's north wall shows a number of  cutouts. We see the shadow line running diagonally almost, but not quite, touching the cutout's bottom. A closeup animation of the cutout shadow runs from 1-3pm.  I've re-positioned the virtual camera somewhat from what I used for the previous collage.This analysis is more subjective than the pergola shadows above, but still is consistent with a 2:15 or little later imo.