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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Ruth Paine QA 9/22 at Texas Theatre JFK assassination film premiere
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2019, 03:55:09 AM »
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“With regard to the Russian writing on items 23, 56, and 57, this examiner is not familiar with this language and the characteristics of the various writing systems used. (64) It is almost impossible to distinguish between class characteristics and individual characteristics unless the writing styles of a language are known.”

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Re: Ruth Paine QA 9/22 at Texas Theatre JFK assassination film premiere
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2019, 03:55:09 AM »


Offline Ted Shields

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Re: Ruth Paine QA 9/22 at Texas Theatre JFK assassination film premiere
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2019, 10:56:12 AM »
No, I believe that Lee fired the bullet through Walker's window....Not AT Walker.... If he had intended to hit Walker he could easily have fired a couple more rounds..(I would remind you that the LNer's believe he fired THREE rounds at JFK)

Oswald thought he hit him. Hence the scrambling around listening to the radio for the news report. I guess Marina lied about that too.

Anyway when is this documentary out?
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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Ruth Paine QA 9/22 at Texas Theatre JFK assassination film premiere
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2019, 01:53:36 PM »
So again no explanation for why Oswald thought he might be killed or arrested on that night or any other night or in the relevant time period.   Just the tired old song and dance about the note not being signed or explicitly referencing an intent to kill Walker.  Oswald was not writing a confession.  He was instructing his wife on what she needed to do should he be arrested or killed.  If there were any doubt about why he thought that might be the case, he TOLD Marina what he had done.  And the note is not the only piece of evidence.  For example, Oswald also had a photo of Walker's home.  But we are told there is nothing to see here.  It is all the product of lies, fakery and no logical inferences can be drawn.  And the alternative narrative for all this evidence is left to our imagination.  Very tired and lazy.  Like a pro bono defense attorney trying to conjure up false doubt about a client that he knows is stone cold guilty.

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Re: Ruth Paine QA 9/22 at Texas Theatre JFK assassination film premiere
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2019, 01:53:36 PM »


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Ruth Paine QA 9/22 at Texas Theatre JFK assassination film premiere
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2019, 04:17:48 PM »
So again no explanation for why Oswald thought he might be killed or arrested on that night or any other night or in the relevant time period.

This is Strawman "Smith's" usual shtick of shifting the burden of proof.  His interpretation of the alleged "Walker note" wins unless somebody can prove otherwise.

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If there were any doubt about why he thought that might be the case, he TOLD Marina what he had done.

Sure, just like he "told Marina" that he was going to go take a look at Nixon.

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  And the note is not the only piece of evidence.  For example, Oswald also had a photo of Walker's home.

Oswald had it?  Really?  They found it on Oswald?

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  But we are told there is nothing to see here.  It is all the product of lies, fakery and no logical inferences can be drawn.

Who said anything about lies and fakery, Strawman "Smith"?  An unsigned, undated note that says nothing about Walker or killing can be 100% authentic and have nothing to do with Walker or killing.

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And the alternative narrative for all this evidence is left to our imagination.

As opposed to your narrative, which is the product of your imagination.  Oops, I mean "logical inference".

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Ruth Paine QA 9/22 at Texas Theatre JFK assassination film premiere
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2019, 05:49:32 PM »
Richard Ding-Dong replay.

he TOLD Marina -- LOL

Oswald also had a photo of Walker's home (and a Chevy with the license plate cut out) -- LOL

false doubt -- LOL

Oswald also had a photo of Walker's home (and a Chevy with the license plate cut out)

True, The photos of Walkers house were in the blue notebook ( binder) that Lee had used to compile his false dossier.... But the hole in the photo was created after the photo was in the hands of the authorities.

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Re: Ruth Paine QA 9/22 at Texas Theatre JFK assassination film premiere
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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Ruth Paine QA 9/22 at Texas Theatre JFK assassination film premiere
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2019, 06:23:39 PM »
Richard Ding-Dong replay.

he TOLD Marina -- LOL

Oswald also had a photo of Walker's home (and a Chevy with the license plate cut out) -- LOL

false doubt -- LOL

Very valuable contribution.  So much substance -- LOL.   

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Ruth Paine QA 9/22 at Texas Theatre JFK assassination film premiere
« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2019, 06:31:28 PM »
Not any less substantive than:

"Marina said"
"Oswald's rifle"
"false doubt"
"fantasy conspirators"
"logical inference"
"common sense"
"no doubt"
"alternative narrative"
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Re: Ruth Paine QA 9/22 at Texas Theatre JFK assassination film premiere
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2019, 07:12:40 PM »
So again long winded deflections but no explanation for why Oswald (or anyone in the Paine household if you prefer) would leave a note in Russian explaining what to do if they were arrested or killed.  Not even an attempt.  Here we have someone questioning a note found in a book in the Paine residence.  Not just some random note found on Mt. Everest.  Written in Russian and explaining what to do in the event this person was killed or arrested.  We also have Marina's testimony that Oswald TOLD her that he fired the shot at Walker and the note was left by him.  This was a small household.  Do you think Ruth Paine believed that she might be arrested or killed for baking brownies?  And she would write a note in Russian explaining what to do in that contingency?  Who in that small household meets the criteria contained in the note?  Did Paine or Marina, for example, have personal papers from the "military" that they did not want thrown out?  Just ignore and revert back to the lazy argument that it is not a signed confession (which wouldn't satisfy the contrarian either since he doesn't accept handwriting analysis as evidence unless it comes from John Wilkes Booth in which case it proves his guilt).  Round and round.  It never ends.   Then there is additional evidence such as the photo of Walker's home.  But there is somehow doubt because it is not signed and dated by the assassin?  Wow.  I hope that if I ever commit a serious crime that a rube like this is on the jury.  Imagine the lunacy of suggesting that Oswald must have signed, dated, and specifically referenced shooting Walker to link the note to that event.  The only thing left out is having it notarized by the Pope.  That's an embarrassing and intellectually dishonest line of argument. 

Bottom line:  There were three adults who resided in the Paine residence where the note was found.  So which of these three had cause to believe they would be killed or arrested and need to provide instructions for someone else via a note written in Russian?  Which of these three had a post office box?  Which of these three had cause to tell the person left behind to seek assistance at an "Embassy"?  What type of event would precipitate information being included in "newspaper clippings"?  Who was paying "house rent"?  Who had personal papers from the "military"?  The note was found in a book belonging to the Oswalds from Paine's residence.  It is written in Russian.  LHO is the only person in that household who meets all the criteria contained in the note.  There is zero doubt that he wrote it unless you are suggesting it is an outright fake for the purpose of framing him (i.e. product of a conspiracy).  And once you accept the obvious conclusion that LHO was the author of the note it begs the question as to what event he was contemplating in advance that might lead to his arrest or death that would be reported in the newspaper.  Think real hard and I bet you can come up with one.

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Re: Ruth Paine QA 9/22 at Texas Theatre JFK assassination film premiere
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2019, 07:12:40 PM »