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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Hypothetical
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2019, 02:42:29 PM »
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Yes, I'm sure no one would be interested in the fact that a person known to the FBI who had defected to the USSR as a self-avowed Marxist worked in the building from which shots were fired at the President!  Nothing to see there.  LOL.

LOL indeed. “Marxist” means “murderer” to you.  “Wacky political background” (whatever the hell that means) means “murderer” to you. Logic was never your strong suit.
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2019, 03:15:08 PM »
"In the event of war, I would kill any American who put a uniform on in defense of the American government--any American."
               - Lee Harvey Oswald, letter to his brother

"Lee was sick...he didn't know who he was."
                 - Marina Oswald

Imagine looking out your window and seeing your next door neighbor doing this? Having his pregnant wife photograph him? This is an unstable person. Who does he think he is?



"In the event of war, I would kill any American who put a uniform on in defense of the American government--any American."     - Lee Harvey Oswald, letter to his brother

Lee wrote this at a time when he was desperately trying to get the approval of the Russians. He knew that the Russians were reading his mail ....so that sentence was for their eyes.    And the Backyard photo was untended for the eyes of Casto's agents.....  Lee was portraying himself as a "armed and ready" communist revolutionary who was ready to fight in Castro's revolution.  In reality he was a US agent trying to gain entrance to Cuba . 

Anybody who can't see through the smoke ....should stop smoking that stuff and clear your head....


Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2019, 03:51:28 PM »
Makes perfect sense to suspect a stinkin' commie rat except Roy S. Truly didn't know he was a stinkin' commie rat...

Not sure what that means.  The hypothetical posed involved who would be the suspect if Oswald's rifle was not found in the TSBD.  And the answer has nothing to do with Truly since he was not a law enforcement agent conducting the investigation.  The FBI would have quickly identified Oswald as a person of interest once they learned he worked in the building from which the shots were fired given his nutty background.  The fact that he fled the building and had no alibi for the moment of assassination would have been discovered in the investigation making him a suspect.  They would then have checked for his rifle and - gasp - found it missing from Paine's garage.  If Oswald had ditched it somewhere during his escape, it is likely found.  Same result.  Oswald = guilty.

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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2019, 03:57:02 PM »
Again, it is laughable that anyone would take issue with the notion that Oswald's nutty background (known to the FBI) would have made him a suspect.  Oswald himself made that claim.  Many CTer theories are premised on his being set up to look like a political nut who might be an assassin.  That alone doesn't mean he was the assassin.  Only that he would have been quickly identified as a suspect on that basis subject to further investigation that would have uncovered evidence of his guilt.  If a plane mysteriously crashes, for example, and the FBI discover the pilot had connections to a suspect political group like ISIS, then he becomes a suspect.  The investigation would not stop there but continue to find other potential evidence.

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« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2019, 04:59:07 PM »
Peinfully ignorant. Proposed scenario does not undo Roy S. Truly tipping off Fritz.

You aren't following along.  Of course it does not "undo" Truly noting that Oswald was missing.  That is another - separate element from his political background - that would made Oswald a potential suspect.  The fact that Truly didn't know Oswald's wacky political background is not, however, relevant to the FBI who would have eventually have made all the connections.  They would have connected the dots.  Shots were fired from the TSBD, Oswald worked in that building, Oswald was a known political nut with a history of suspect behavior, Oswald had no credible alibi for the moment of the assassination, Oswald fled the building in the immediate aftermath.  All of that might not be conclusive of his guilt but he would have been identified as a potential suspect leading to further investigation.  And that investigation would have uncovered evidence linking him to the crime.  Finding Oswald's rifle at the crime scene is the most important piece of evidence that links him to the crime.  But even in the absence of the rifle, his conduct and background would eventually make him an obvious person of interest to the police.   

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2019, 05:48:27 PM »
His “wacky background” had nothing to do with killing anyone. Also you have a weird notion of what it means to “confirm” something.
You are wasting your keystrokes......

Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2019, 07:24:08 PM »
Again, it is laughable that anyone would take issue with the notion that Oswald's nutty background (known to the FBI) would have made him a suspect.

What's laughable is that you keep claiming that there's something in his background that would have made him a murder suspect.  Being a Marxist or a defector (false or otherwise) doesn't make one a murderer.  You need more than that to consider somebody a "suspect".

Offline Thomas Graves

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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2019, 09:24:08 PM »
What's laughable is that you keep claiming that there's something in his background that would have made him a murder suspect.  Being a Marxist or a defector (false or otherwise) doesn't make one a murderer.  You need more than that to consider somebody a "suspect".

John,
 
Forget the alleged wife-beating and shooting at General Walker, etc, what it boils down to whether or not the FBI and Secret Service knew before 11/22/63 that self-avowed Marxist and re-defector Oswald had (supposedly) been in contact in Mexico City with KGB officer Valiery Kostikov, believed at the time (probably mistakenly) to have been the head of KGB sabotage and assassination efforts in the Western Hemisphere.

If they weren't apprised of this by the CIA, then we must ask why not.

And if FBI was notified but dropped the ball, then shouldn't we blame Hoover and/or Hosty for the assassination?

--  MWT   ;)

PS  Or would you prefer to blame the evil, evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence Community Complex?
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