Hypothetical

[Tom Scully]

This is pretty simple.  Even for you.  Oswald was a known political kook prior to the assassination.  A person the FBI was keeping tabs on for years.  Once it became known to the authorities that he worked in the building from which the shots were fired, he would become an obvious person of interest.  Oswald himself said that for f's sake!  He said that he had been arrested because he once lived in the Soviet Union.  That wouldn't be the end of the investigation or demonstrate alone that he was guilty.  It would simply mean there was cause to believe Oswald was the kind of nut who might do this and look at him as a potential suspect.  If he had an iron clad alibi, then he walks.  But he didn't.  He was fleeing for his life because he was stone cold guilty.

Does the brainwashing solvent occasionally run out your ears and stain the shoulders of your clothing? The only thing your posts have settled is they got their
money's worth as a result of in "investing" in you to avoid being criticized by you, and Oswald was politically sophisticated and you are not! It is embarrassing to read your regurgitations of what volk like the Koch bros. and Scaifes invested to turn out millions so similar to you who firmly believe they "know what they know" because it seems obvious to them. Turning the wheel seems an obvious purpose to a caged hamster!

In Ohio, this brutal fascist is so beloved he was re-elected and they've named venues to "honor" him!:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Rhodes
…As governor in 1970, Rhodes sent National Guard troops onto the Kent State University campus at the request of Kent, Ohio's mayor, after the ROTC building was burned down by unknown arsonists on May 2. On May 4, four students were killed and nine others were wounded by the Guard. One victim, Dean Kahler, suffered permanent paralysis.[2]….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Rhodes_Arena
James A. Rhodes Arena, nicknamed "The JAR," is an arena in Akron, Ohio, United States on the campus of the University of Akron. It was built next to and replaced the University's 3,000-seat Memorial Hall gymnasium. Named for former Ohio governor Jim Rhodes, the arena opened in 1983

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Rhodes_State_College
In 2002, Lima Technical College changed its name to James A. Rhodes State College in order to honor the former governor. Rhodes played a major role in developing Ohio's two-year colleges. It is now referred to as Rhodes State College.

This column's author was son of the first director of DIA, Hoover's former admin. aide, Gen. Joseph Carroll:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Carroll_(DIA)

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/opinion/30iht-edcarroll.4.6900205.html
The peril of valuing celebrity over history
By JAMES CARROLLJULY 30, 2007
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Yet, speaking of history, this conjuring of the appearance of opposition where none actually exists has been mandated by the American political system since the onset of the Cold War. The quadrennial political puppet show, highlighting not opposition but its appearance, is essential to keeping the captive-taking war machine running and to inoculating the American people from the viral knowledge that they themselves were first to be captured.
A minimal acquaintance with history, including dissections of American culture already performed by both Sinclairs, would undermine our national complacency. Upton Sinclair, for example, showed the rapaciousness of capitalism, the vampire-like appetite with which it feeds on the blood of human beings. Even with "reforms" ("The Jungle" led to the establishment of the Food and Drug Administration), the profit-worshipping economy to this day eludes controls that would protect majorities of citizens in this country and across the world. Sinclair Lewis, for his part, showed how the simultaneously banalizing methods of capitalist enterprise (false advertising, consumerism, pieties of affluence, amoral bureaucracy) are exactly what that enterprise created to keep from being criticized.
……..

Accuracy In Media (AIM) is an American non-profit conservative news media watchdog founded in 1969 by economist Reed Irvine. AIM supported the Vietnam War and blamed media bias for U.S. loss in the war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_in_Media

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Accuracy_in_Media

Study Reed Irvine and Buckley brother-in-law Bozell and Bozell's son and assure me their crony, syndicated winger columnist John Chamberlain, the biographer of Gen. Charles Willoughby, gushing approvingly of the aerial bombers of Cuba, Sullivan and Rorke were squared away, as you are confident you are, but it was Oswald who was "a kook"!:
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/4127251/geoff_sullivan/

Christopher Ruddy - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Ruddy
Christopher Ruddy (born January 28, 1965) is the CEO of Newsmax Media, which publishes ..... L. Brent Bozell III (1997-10-02). "Ruddy Blackout Shows a Book ...

Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) | The Martin Luther King ...

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu › encyclopedia › federal-bureau-investiga...

FBI director J. Edgar Hoover was personally hostile toward King, believing that ... (FBI) began monitoring Martin Luther King, Jr., in December 1955, during his ...

Here's What The FBI Had On Martin Luther King Jr. - Newsweek

https://www.newsweek.com › ... › Communism › Kennedy

Jan 15, 2018 - The FBI was obsessed with Martin Luther King Jr. from the mid-1950s until his ... In all that time, the bureau—and Director J. Edgar Hoover ...

FBI–King suicide letter - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki

A nearly unredacted copy of the "suicide letter" sent to Martin Luther King Jr. The FBI–King suicide letter or blackmail package was an anonymous 1964 letter and package ... Georgia in 2010, but never passed by Congress. A copy of the letter is known to exist in J. Edgar Hoover's confidential files at the National Archives.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal/legacy/2011/03/14/12-2008osu-accountability.pdf
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As long as you're comparing an individual your fascist biases filter prejudicially, that individual is dismissed as a "kook" but certainly you and establishment figures
of 1963 certainly are not. Here are present day results of what you perceive as politically "A-Okay"?:
If you want to be taken seriously stop being completely receptive to the best political propaganda money can buy. Have you ever even given a thought to who
invested in the outcome that is your POV?

[Thomas Graves]

His Selective Service Card, Knucklehead.

Mike,

Did he receive that "draft card," or did he fabricate it at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall?

--  MWT 

[Colin Crow]

His Selective Service Card, Knucklehead.

Not being familiar with SS cards, are photos normally included? Ones I can find from that era don’t seem to include them. I assume there was a standard format that might have changed somewhat over the years. What does the Class IV mean? Why would someone forge a card including a photo if it was so obviously phony?

[Thomas Graves]

Not being familiar with SS cards, are photos normally included? Ones I can find from that era don’t seem to include them. I assume there was a standard format that might have changed somewhat over the years. What does the Class IV mean? Why would someone forge a card including a photo if it was so obviously phony?

Colin,

There was a whole thread kinda on this topic at the EF a couple of years ago.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24175-the-stamp-on-the-military-id-card/

--  MWT 

Edit #1:  The general consensus on that 24-page EF thread is that, by extrapolation, the photo on Hidell's "classification" card, above, was taken (or created?) in Minsk.

Edit #2: It get's really interesting on page 20, a little more than halfway down, on Chris Newton's September 14 post where he notices the black spot on that guy's neck, and the fact that the same-but-unused photo was found in Oswald's "scrapbook" or "photo book".

 You might want to check it out ...

Edit #3:  Interestingly, that photo is featured in the Wikipedia article on Oswald, and when one looks at it and notices another spot on the general image, one wonders if the black spot on the neck is a biological feature of the dude (or a compilation of two dudes?), or if it was just a byproduct of a rather sloppy photographic process, be it of a normal photographic situation (of Oswald, or someone in Minsk who resembled him), or of a more exotic, "fake photo"/compilation nature.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

PS  Am I "virtuous," yet?

[Colin Crow]

Colin,

There was a whole thread kinda on this topic at the EF a couple of years ago.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24175-the-stamp-on-the-military-id-card/

--  MWT 

Edit #1:  The general consensus on that 24-page EF thread is that, by extrapolation, the photo on Hidell's "classification" card, above, was taken (or created?) in Minsk.

Edit #2: It get's really interesting on page 20, a little more than halfway down, on Chris Newton's September 14 post where he notices the black spot on that guy's neck, and the fact that the same-but-unused photo was found in Oswald's "scrapbook" or "photo book".

 You might want to check it out ...

Edit #3:  Interestingly, that photo is featured in the Wikipedia article on Oswald, and when one looks at it and notices another spot on the general image, one wonders if the black spot on the neck is a biological feature of the dude (or a compilation of two dudes?), or if it was just a byproduct of a rather sloppy photographic process, be it of a normal photographic situation (of Oswald, or someone in Minsk who resembled him), or of a more exotic, "fake photo"/compilation nature.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

PS  Am I "virtuous," yet?

Thank you Tommy. Appreciated.

[Thomas Graves]

Thank you Tommy. Appreciated.

Colin,

You're welcome!

Question: Is that Oswald (before, or after "programming" by the humanitarian organization known as the KGB), someone else, or a compilation?

(IDK)

--  MWT 

PS  If the KGB had anything to do with the making of these different "Hidell" same spot-on-neck military IDs, and if the photo is of someone else who had a mark like that on his neck, then imho the fact that they didn't photographically remove the spot can mean two different things:

1) the spot isn't a biological thing, after all, but a mistake in the photographic process which the KGB assumed would be recognized by others for what it was, or

2) that it is a biological mark on an Oswald impersonator, and the reason they didn't airbrush it out was because it was supposed to signify something to someone Oswald would be showing that ID to.

Implicit in #2, above, is that I can't imagine the KGB's not noticing that Oswald didn't have a mark like that on his neck.

--  MWT 

[Walt Cakebread]

Not being familiar with SS cards, are photos normally included? Ones I can find from that era don’t seem to include them. I assume there was a standard format that might have changed somewhat over the years. What does the Class IV mean? Why would someone forge a card including a photo if it was so obviously phony?

Photos were NOT on SS cards.....Classification IV A  was the classification for a highly desirable draftee....When an 18 year old male registered with Selective Service he would be examined and classified according to his physical and mental condition....   Classification IV A was the highest classification, and a young man that received that classification could expect to find himself in a basic training camp shortly after he was classified.

The card that you have posted a picture of is NOT a draft card....    It is a federal crime to forge or alter a draft card ....BUT it's bot illegal to create a obviously fake  draft card like the one you've posted....Lee Oswald would have been well aware of this fact....Thus he created the silly rendition.   

AND....The FBI and the Warren Commission would have known that the card with the photo was a fake....and then they should have rejected it and investigated it's creation....But they acted as if it was a legitimate draft card..... 

[Walt Cakebread]

Colin,

There was a whole thread kinda on this topic at the EF a couple of years ago.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24175-the-stamp-on-the-military-id-card/

--  MWT 

Edit #1:  The general consensus on that 24-page EF thread is that, by extrapolation, the photo on Hidell's "classification" card, above, was taken (or created?) in Minsk.


Edit #2: It get's really interesting on page 20, a little more than halfway down, on Chris Newton's September 14 post where he notices the black spot on that guy's neck, and the fact that the same-but-unused photo was found in Oswald's "scrapbook" or "photo book".

 You might want to check it out ...

Edit #3:  Interestingly, that photo is featured in the Wikipedia article on Oswald, and when one looks at it and notices another spot on the general image, one wonders if the black spot on the neck is a biological feature of the dude (or a compilation of two dudes?), or if it was just a byproduct of a rather sloppy photographic process, be it of a normal photographic situation (of Oswald, or someone in Minsk who resembled him), or of a more exotic, "fake photo"/compilation nature.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

PS  Am I "virtuous," yet?

No the card was not created in Minsk....Lee created that silly rendition of a Selective Service Card in New Orleans ......

A poster in the EF wrote:....."over the picture is what appears to be a post office stamp dated October 23, 1963.  Where the heck did that stamp come from?"

Please....Those of you who are erstwhile researchers OPEN YOUR EYES and examine that so called "post Office stamp"   If you look closely you'll see that the "post office stamp was made by using a US quarter dollar coin.....( naturally the words are written backward but there's no doubt that a quarter and an inkpad were used to create a stamp to fill the are of the photo that was taken in Minsk.  Lee used that photo when he created the silly "draft card"....