A Better Sequence (TM DVP)

[Colin Crow]

Of course we need to correct Vince. His statement that Brennan saw 3 men on the fifth floor is incorrect. Brennan only saw two, likely because we know Williams did not arrive to join the others until just shortly before the shots.

I would also point out that the idea that Williams had agreed with anyone to view the motorcade from the 6th floor that morning is an uncorroborated claim by Williams. Neither Lovelady or Arce were asked to confirm an any statement or testimony.

[Colin Crow]

I see DVP, Denis, Charles and Paul all LN proponents but no defence of Bugliosi (and ghostwriters). We must ask ourselves why are they unable to confront what the investigation revealed? Why the need to pretend that Williams was not on the 6th floor at the same time as the man with a rifle?

It is the inevitable conclusion one has to reach. It seems to be LN kryptonite for some reason.

[Colin Crow]

This could become a very, very long thread.

I count five LN members on the forum at present. DVP seems to have left the building. Most would rather engage in Garrison bashing rather than discussing the evidence the WC uncovered and yet deliberately ignored or were unable to digest.

Nothing offered to put Jarman and Norman on the 5th floor before Rowland's gunman. No corroboration for Givens obvious concoction. Yet his early statement suggests he saw Oswald in the domino room 20 minutes after the elevator race. Most likely around 12.10-12.15pm. At 12.25 or so Jarman and Norman walk by the same domino room. The same time Brennan sees someone in the SN.

Shelley saw him around 11.50am on the first floor. He is on the 5th floor at the time of the elevator race and then seen by Piper around noon back on the first floor near the domino room. Givens's sighting is 10-15 minutes later.

[John Iacoletti]

LNers don’t care about the details, Colin. The narrative must be preserved at all costs.

[Richard Smith]

Givens appears to distinguish between his "coat" and his "jacket" in his responses.  For example, he indicates that he left a "raincoat" in the domino room that morning.  In fact, Belin uses the term "jacket" in that question but Givens responds with "raincoat".  And he retrieves his "coat" when he leaves for the day.  In response to questions about his trip to the 6th floor, however, he consistently references his "jacket."  Maybe that is the distinction.  He wore a raincoat to work that morning but also kept a jacket at work. I don't see that distinction as undermining his testimony.  And then there is this characterization that brings to mind the many witnesses that described Oswald as wearing a jacket after the assassination when he appears to have had on a long sleeve shirt:


Mr. BELIN. When you got off the elevator, as you were coming back up to get your shirt, did you have any occasion as you were walking out of the elevator to look to see if there was anyone else on the floor?
Mr. GIVENS. Well, no, sir; I wasn't thinking of that. I just happened to glance around as I was on my way back.

Mr. BELIN. Did you wear a jacket to work that day?
Mr. GIVENS. I wore a raincoat, I believe. It was misting that morning.

[Thomas Graves]

LNers don’t care about the details, Colin. The narrative must be preserved at all costs.

Look who's talking!

John "I Will Allow No Evidence Even Remotely Perceived as Possibly Implicating and/or Not Actually Exonerating Oswald in the Assassination to Be Permitted, No Matter How Devious and Intellectually Dishonest I Must Be to Accomplish My Mission" Iacoletti.

LOL

What a hypocrite.

--  MWT 

[John Iacoletti]

Pure BS from a guy who thinks his speculative nonsense is evidence.

[Thomas Graves]

Pure BS from a guy who thinks his speculative nonsense is evidence.

John,

I found the photo of the five male models wearing Bermuda shorts that you posted on a thread about the identity of the three skirt and or dresses-under-raincoats-wearing people on the Pergola Patio in Towner, but I can't find the one you posted showing a guy wearing Bermuda shorts in the snow.

Have you deleted it?

I wouldn't be surprised if you have.

--  MWT