A Better Sequence (TM DVP)

[Martin Weidmann]

I'll take a whack at it. Williams ate his lunch in the sniper's nest while he was having a friendly conversation with the assassin who has the rifle ready to assassinate the president (likely Oswald, possibly somebody else, let's say Oswald). Willams, at about 12:25 PM (Williams must have seen the assassin's rifle at this late time), said bye bye to Oswald and inexplicably left the remnants of his lunch right on the boxes in the sniper's nest (evidence that he could be named a suspect or an accessory to murdering the president). The lunch remains are in the assassin's way but Oswald smartly leaves the lunch on the boxes, shoots the president and tries to hide the rifle. Oswald now hopes the authorities think Williams shot the president as Williams idiodically left his lunch in the sniper's nest (people do dumb things sometimes).

How's that sound guys?

How's that sound guys?

As if you have nothing serious to offer and thus go with ridicule.

[Colin Crow]

How's that sound guys?

As if you have nothing serious to offer and thus go with ridicule.

At least the sequence of events, although unlikely, with fit the complete analysis of the evidence. Unlike what was offered by the WC/Bugliosi/DVP sequence.

[Colin Crow]

To Williams it was a win-win as 'they' had their man and and he didn't have to deal with the sixth floor....so he thought.

Seems he only thought that for a short period. His story starts to "evolve" on the Saturday with a mention of a brief trip to the 6th floor around "noon". The chicken lunch is not admitted to by him until the 25th to Lt Day. Nothing in any official documentation about his chicken lunch until Dec 2.

At his first statement around 2pm on the Friday, consider what he knew? He knew the shots came from above, maybe just where he had been. He had left his unfinished lunch there. Maybe someone had seen him (Rowland!). He knows the 6th floor is of interest as that is the reason Fritz ordered Stenkel to round up those workers on the 6th floor that day for questioning. He knows he has an alibi for the time of the shooting (Jarman and Norman). He likely does not know of the Dillard photo at this early stage. He knows Oswald is of particular interest and is questioned about him. he knows Oswald has been arrested and is in custody. At this stage the cops do not know if Oswald did any shooting at the TSBD, maybe he had co-conspirators who he assisted In the plot.

The chicken lunch is being referred to as the assassin's lunch by that afternoon all over the media.

Does anyone think if Williams noticed Oswald on the 6th floor any time after the elevator race that day he would not ever mention it to the cops? Interesting comparison to Givens.

[Walt Cakebread]

Seems he only thought that for a short period. His story starts to "evolve" on the Saturday with a mention of a brief trip to the 6th floor around "noon". The chicken lunch is not admitted to by him until the 25th to Lt Day. Nothing in any official documentation about his chicken lunch until Dec 2.

At his first statement around 2pm on the Friday, consider what he knew? He knew the shots came from above, maybe just where he had been. He had left his unfinished lunch there. Maybe someone had seen him (Rowland!). He knows the 6th floor is of interest as that is the reason Fritz ordered Stenkel to round up those workers on the 6th floor that day for questioning. He knows he has an alibi for the time of the shooting (Jarman and Norman). He likely does not know of the Dillard photo at this early stage. He knows Oswald is of particular interest and is questioned about him. he knows Oswald has been arrested and is in custody. At this stage the cops do not know if Oswald did any shooting at the TSBD, maybe he had co-conspirators who he assisted In the plot.

The chicken lunch is being referred to as the assassin's lunch by that afternoon all over the media.

Does anyone think if Williams noticed Oswald on the 6th floor any time after the elevator race that day he would not ever mention it to the cops? Interesting comparison to Givens.

He knew the shots came from above,

He did??....  How did he know?  Had he seen a deputy sheriff up there with a rifle?   There are many photos of Williams in custody after the ambush murder....  And they all show the epitome if a very worried man.....  What was BRW so worried about?

[Colin Crow]

He knew the shots came from above,

He did??....  How did he know?  Had he seen a deputy sheriff up there with a rifle?   There are many photos of Williams in custody after the ambush murder....  And they all show the epitome if a very worried man.....  What was BRW so worried about?

Perhaps we could agree that , he knew the 6th floor was a place of interest. That’s why he was collected to go to City Hall before 2pm. On instruction from Fritz. After the discovery of the shells (and chicken lunch remnants).

[Colin Crow]

The chicken lunch is being referred to as the assassin's lunch by that afternoon all over the media.

That's why it bothers me BRW would "own up", especially after the 24th around noon.

The chicken lunch was moved from the SN to the two wheeler. It was likely moved in two stages, initially one set of windows westward (Hill) and then all bones pieces put into the bag and the top folded over (Johnson would be my bet).  It finished near the two wheeler to be "discovered" there and processed by Studebaker upon his return from the wrapping paper on the first floor, after 2pm. This was aligned with the third set of windows. It was here that Studebaker told Day they were found. Day returned to the TSBD on Monday the 25th and likely relayed news of the lunch position and presentation to the workers. Williams was now identified and appeared "in the clear" due to the movement of his lunch from the SN. It was only now that he owned up to it. Surely he would be thinking, even at this time, that the bag would have been fingerprinted. Also he had no way of knowing if someone might come forward with a picture of him in the SN before the shots.

[Colin Crow]

The chicken lunch is being referred to as the assassin's lunch by that afternoon all over the media.

That's why it bothers me BRW would "own up", especially after the 24th around noon.

If BRW saw Oswald on the sixth floor after the elevator race why wouldn’t he "own up"? Givens had no trouble doing that "eventually".

[Colin Crow]

Regardless of seeing Oswald or not that would place him on the 6th floor with "their man". When Oswald was taken out the assassin's lunch would most likely live on and BRW could be fairly sure 'they' would buy his 5th floor story, IMO. His problem was that he saw someone on the 6th floor who was not Oswald, not good for self preservation to break that to Fritz!

Givens behavior is an entirely different thing since there was an APB out on him based on a tip that no one owned up to!

I think the indicators are that he saw "something". He decided to leave his lunch unfinished and go downstairs to the fifth floor in the elevator and join Jarman and Norman just before the shots. Something that convinced Jarman and Norman to tell stories that he came up in the elevator with them. The question is, what that "something" might have been.

Givens was the exact opposite, told of the cigarette trip sighting for the first time months later. Given likely never saw Oswald then but claimed he did, if williams had seen Oswald would he have never said anything?