A Better Sequence (TM DVP)

[Walt Cakebread]

But there's a lot going on in the motorcade they came to watch, also. Reverberation was being sensed by then, too. To me, you seem to compare their situation with sitting in a windowless room with no distractions and having only to process a rifle being fired overhead.

A few years ago, there was a stadium full of football fans in France who kept watching the game while explosions occurred just outside.

People don't always behave in unison, or conform to predictable behavior, in a crisis. They generally compartmentalize things. Like you do with reality.


Las Vegas Mass Shooting

"‘There’s a shooter!’: Body-cam video shows officers passing unaware casino-goers during Vegas shooting" ( Link )

"1 October body camera video shows people sleeping in rooms unaware of active shooter" ( Link )

Mr Organ...Your cites are totally unlike the situation that BRW and Harold Norman would have experienced.... Allegedly they were only a few feet from the muzzle of a rifle that was being fired above their heads.....  IF that had actually happened thirty seconds before the photo was taken we would not be looking at two men are showing no sign that three ear shattering blasts have occurred just a few feet from their heads.   

BRW is displaying a puzzled interest in something happening down on Elm street....And Mr Click - Clack- BOOM ,   Norman isn't at all interested in anything on Elm Street....He appears to be looking at something on Houston street.... He most certainly isn't cringing away from three ear shattering muzzle blasts, and he most certainly is NOT interested in objects dropping on the floor above his head....

[Alan Ford]

I fear this excellent thread has gone off-topic, and I fear it's partly my fault. Apologies, Mr Crow------I was enjoying our dialogue!

[Colin Crow]

I fear this excellent thread has gone off-topic, and I fear it's partly my fault. Apologies, Mr Crow------I was enjoying our dialogue!

No problem Alan, I appreciate your concern. I feel that in the absence of any meaningful rebuttal we can at least conclude that the sequence of events alluded to by the WCR/Bugliosi/DVP is pure myth. One that was based on some bungling police work, inadequate analysis and eventually driven by an assumption that Oswald must have been on the 6th floor with an assembled rifle by 12.15pm and in the SN shortly after.

[Alan Ford]

No problem Alan, I appreciate your concern. I feel that in the absence of any meaningful rebuttal we can at least conclude that the sequence of events alluded to by the WCR/Bugliosi/DVP is pure myth. One that was based on some bungling police work, inadequate analysis and eventually driven by an assumption that Oswald must have been on the 6th floor with an assembled rifle by 12.15pm and in the SN shortly after.

"Meaningful rebuttal" from the Lone Nut side? You can be sure if there were one available you'd have already heard it many pages back. You have successfully deconstructed the official myth! 

Mr Rowland really messed things up for the WC. Again, their only option was to go for his character. Didn't work...

[Colin Crow]

"Meaningful rebuttal" from the Lone Nut side? You can be sure if there were one available you'd have already heard it many pages back. You have successfully deconstructed the official myth! 

Mr Rowland really messed things up for the WC. Again, their only option was to go for his character. Didn't work...

And as a result of looking at the chicken lunch we now know that Jarman and Norman walked by the domino room window about 12.23-24pm. Nearly 10 minutes after Rowland sighted the rifle man in the SW window of the 6th floor. Also that Williams, for some reason, lied repeatedly of his movements. In addition, until they appeared before the WC, Jarman and Norman continued to claim he rode with them up to the 5th floor.

I am currently working on another under developed storyline. When did Frazier become a "person of interest"? Who visited the Randle's first after the assassination? But seems like another thread.......

[Colin Crow]

Another event that, if it occurred happened later than often reported. As one would suspect.

The crowd assembling in Dealy Plaza according to officer Smith.

Mr. SMITH. Well, I stood there and talked some to the crowd after they finally formed. They didn't start forming until around 11 o'clock, and looked over here at the Texas School Book Depository Building and just stood there mainly - there wasn't much to do.

Mr. BALL - Did you talk to him again that morning?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir. I talked to him again later on that morning.
Mr. BALL - About what time?
Mr. JARMAN - It was between 9:30 and 10 o'clock, I believe.
Mr. BALL - Where were you when you talked to him?
Mr. JARMAN - In between two rows of bins.
Mr. BALL - On what floor?
Mr. JARMAN - On the first floor.
Mr. BALL - And what was said by him and by you?
Mr. JARMAN - Well, he was standing up in the window and I went to the window also, and he asked me what were the people gathering around on the corner for, and I told him that the President was supposed to pass that morning, and he asked me did I know which way he was coming, and I told him, yes; he probably come down Main and turn on Houston and then back again on Elm. Then he said, "Oh, I see," and that was all.
Mr. BALL - Did you talk to him again?
Mr. JARMAN - No, sir.

[Jack Nessan]

"Meaningful rebuttal" from the Lone Nut side? You can be sure if there were one available you'd have already heard it many pages back. You have successfully deconstructed the official myth! 

Mr Rowland really messed things up for the WC. Again, their only option was to go for his character. Didn't work...

How about just a little meaningful analysis. A random assortment of detectives each placing a piece of chicken in a different place is hardly analysis.  Mooney himself places it in two different places in two different statements.

Claiming a description of an elderly negro is really a twenty something BRW, or a detective leaning out of a window and holding his hat is supposedly waving a piece of chicken is meaningful analysis

As far as Rowland, the WC did not have to do anything, Rowland personally and repeatedly cast doubt on his own character.

[Walt Cakebread]

How about just a little meaningful analysis. A random assortment of detectives each placing a piece of chicken in a different place is hardly analysis.  Mooney himself places it in two different places in two different statements.

Claiming a description of an elderly negro is really a twenty something BRW, or a detective leaning out of a window and holding his hat is supposedly waving a piece of chicken is meaningful analysis

As far as Rowland, the WC did not have to do anything, Rowland personally and repeatedly cast doubt on his own character.

As far as Rowland, the WC did not have to do anything, Rowland personally and repeatedly cast doubt on his own character.

LBJ's "Special Select Blue Ribbon Committee of Venerated and honorable men" would never have cast doubt on a witnesses testimony....They would never have led the witnesses or put words in their mouths.....   Oh, I know that there are hundreds of examples in the hearings where they certainly appear to be twisting the testimony....but You must remember that they were hand picked by the President himself (LBJ) so they were infallible, and as pure as the new fallen snow.