A Better Sequence (TM DVP)

[Jack Nessan]

Yes...you're right.....  Jack is not only a "know-it-all"....  but his primary motive is to discredit Rowland......

Being called a "know it all" by a "know nothing" can't be a bad thing. Rowland does an excellent job of discrediting his own testimony all by himself. Point out the parts where he doesn't contradict himself. I think he got his name right after that not so much. 

Rowland's expertise on firearms seems to rival your own.

"Rowlands was referring to a 30-06....which is actually a cartridge designation and not a rifle at all.."

Huh? Firearms are identified in different ways, the cartridge used in them is just one of them.

So you what you are saying is you can put any cartridge in any rifle and it will work just fine?

Nobody has a clue as to what Rowland was talking about. Especially Arlen Specter

How you tell and the only way to tell what cartridge can be fired in a rifle is by reading what is stamped on the barrel. Rowland claims he knew from 200 feet away by the look of the scope.

[Walt Cakebread]

Being called a "know it all" by a "know nothing" can't be a bad thing. Rowland does an excellent job of discrediting his own testimony all by himself. Point out the parts where he doesn't contradict himself. I think he got his name right after that not so much. 

Rowland's expertise on firearms seems to rival your own.

"Rowlands was referring to a 30-06....which is actually a cartridge designation and not a rifle at all.."

Huh? Firearms are identified in different ways, the cartridge used in them is just one of them.

So you what you are saying is you can put any cartridge in any rifle and it will work just fine?


Nobody has a clue as to what Rowland was talking about. Especially Arlen Specter

How you tell and the only way to tell what cartridge can be fired in a rifle is by reading what is stamped on the barrel. Rowland claims he knew from 200 feet away by the look of the scope.

DUH....  Rowland was merely trying to tell the investigators that the rifle that he saw in the hands of the man was a big game hunting rifle.   It's as simple as that...He was relating the rifle to his step fathers rifle, which he called a Thirty Odd Six  ( he thought that a thirty aught six was a thirty odd six)   No big deal...He simply didn't know.   And he sure as hell wasn't trying to claim that he could know the caliber of the rifle from 200 hundred feet away.    Watta absurd idea! Only a know-it-all who's trying to impress  others about his vast knowledge of firearms would make an issue out of Rowland's statement.

[John Iacoletti]

No idea. Read their statements and look for the inconsistencies. Rowland contradicts himself start to finish.

Brennan: Brennan stated he saw a rifle having been fired from the SE corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD. He stated there was only two shots.

Brennan changed his story every time he told it.  If you're going by what Brennan said at any particular time, then it's not about whether someone contradicts himself or not.

[John Iacoletti]

Nobody has a clue as to what Rowland was talking about. Especially Arlen Specter

There were a lot of things that Arlen Specter didn't have a clue about.

[Walt Cakebread]

Brennan changed his story every time he told it.  If you're going by what Brennan said at any particular time, then it's not about whether someone contradicts himself or not.

Initially, Brennan was just a naive citizen trying to help the police.....  The best source for information from Brennan is his affidavit which he gave about an hour after the coup d e'tat.   

By the evening of the murder he was awakening to the fact that the police were railroading Lee Oswald.   Brennan told the police that the man that he'd seen STANDING and aiming a hunting rifle from a TSBD window was NOT there in the line up ( Lee Oswald was in the line up) But the cops would not listen to him and badgered him to identify Lee as the man.   The police asked him how he could be so sure that the man with the hunting rifle wasn't in the lineup he said that Lee was not dressed like the gunman....He said that the man was wearing light colored khaki clothing.    Whereupon the police told Brennan that Lee had gone to his room at 1:00pm and changed his clothes ( which was true....except there were no light colored khaki clothes in Lee's room when they searched it a couple of hours later.

One must keep in mind that LBJ's "special Select Blue Ribbon Committee" was in fact a crime cover up committee..... They badgered witnesses, and twisted their testimony and ignored what the witnesses were trying to tell them.   

[Zeon Mason]

"30 odd sized 6" rifle and from 200 feet away. Rowland telling them how much he knew about guns and scopes too. What a guy.

It must be you don't see anything wrong with his statement.

Only a know it all who thinks that he's superior would make an issue out of Rowland's statement......

While it's technically true that there is no such rifle as a 30 odd six ....a truly knowing person would simply dismiss Rowland's statement as  his misunderstanding of the often used thirty  aught six ( aught being an old fashion term for zero)   IOW ...Rowlands was referring to a 30-06....which is actually a cartridge designation and not a rifle at all....  BUT many people refer to a rifle that uses the 30-06 cartridge as a 30-06 rifle.   It's not at all uncommon and only a smart ass would make an issue of Rowland's misunderstanding.

Imo, Rowland was making the reference to a 30.06 "hunting rifle" with a "large scope" to indirectly defy the idea that it could have been an Mannlicher Carcano rifle with longer woorden stock and smaller diameter scope.

It is doubtful Rowland could have mistaken a wooden stock rifle with only about 5" of barrel extending beyond, vs a 30.06 typical rifle with a barrel that extends about 12" or more past the wooden stock.

It is doubtful that Rowland could have seen the type of off center , smaller diameter scope, of the MC rifle, from over 200 ft away when that scope is barely visible in the BYPs which photo was taken from about 10 ft away.

[Colin Crow]

No.  Is that you Hillary?

Tenzing?

[Jack Nessan]

DUH....  Rowland was merely trying to tell the investigators that the rifle that he saw in the hands of the man was a big game hunting rifle.   It's as simple as that...He was relating the rifle to his step fathers rifle, which he called a Thirty Odd Six  ( he thought that a thirty aught six was a thirty odd six)   No big deal...He simply didn't know.   And he sure as hell wasn't trying to claim that he could know the caliber of the rifle from 200 hundred feet away.    Watta absurd idea! Only a know-it-all who's trying to impress  others about his vast knowledge of firearms would make an issue out of Rowland's statement.

DUH..

Your most informative answer to date.

No big deal...He simply didn't know.   And he sure as hell wasn't trying to claim that he could know the caliber of the rifle from 200 hundred feet away.


Yes he was. Not a 30 odd six, a 30 odd size 6. I did not know it was possible but he seems to know less about firearms than you do. He seems to share your passion for pretending though.

Mr. ROWLAND - No. In proportion to the scope it appeared to me to be a .30-odd size 6, a deer rifle with a fairly large or powerful scope.

              No idea in the world what he is talking about. The scope indicates a caliber?

Mr. SPECTER - When you say, .30-odd-6, exactly what did you mean by that?
Mr. ROWLAND - That is a rifle that is used quite frequently for deer hunting. It is an import.

              Just so you know a 30-06 is not an import cartridge.