Tippit Shooting, 1:15

[Martin Weidmann]

The LN scenario goes something like this:

Markham’s washateria clock was chronically 6 or 7 minutes slow and she had no other timepiece so she always thought that her 1:22 bus was a 1:15 bus. Therefore, when she said she left at 6 or 7 minutes after 1:00, it was actually 1:12-1:13 and she got to 10th & Patton just in time for Tippit’s shooting at 1:16.

Part of the LN scenario is also that Bowley's watch was also 5 minutes slow. Never mind that this would mean that he left his daughter waiting 5 minutes at school, without noticing it

And the hospital clock where Tippit was taken must have been slow as the correct times on the sheets were altered subsequently. There must have been a problem over the whole of Dallas that morning causing all these clocks and watches to be slow.

The Tippit murder was a local crime. So, why was the FBI constantly phoning the hospital about the time of death?

[John Iacoletti]

Yeah they had a rash of almost equally slow timepieces in Oak Cliff that day.

The police dispatcher’s time checks on the possibly edited, non-continuous dictabelt dubs, though, you can take to the bank.

[Jerry Freeman]

Don't know if your being sarcastic..but I don't think the murder of a cop be it yesterday or 50 years ago is something to make mirth over.

Apparently, the point is not the only thing you seem to be missing.

[Jerry Freeman]

Mrs Markham saw a young man ( the man who shot JD Tippit) walking east on Tenth at about 1:05  ( Markham said she saw Tippit shot to death at 1:06) How much time elapsed between 1:04 and 1:06??

[Walt Cakebread]

The LN scenario goes something like this:

Markham’s washateria clock was chronically 6 or 7 minutes slow and she had no other timepiece so she always thought that her 1:22 bus was a 1:15 bus. Therefore, when she said she left at 6 or 7 minutes after 1:00, it was actually 1:12-1:13 and she got to 10th & Patton just in time for Tippit’s shooting at 1:16.

As I recall ...Mrs Markham was on the telephone talking to her daughter when she noticed that the clock in her apartment indicated that it was about 1:00 pm. She told her daughter that she needed to hang up and go to catch the bus .    Since she wanted to verify the clock in her apartment was correct she looked at the washateria clock  as she walked through that laundry room....  She was acutely aware of the time when she reached the intersection of 10th  & Patton....and she said in her sworn affidavit that the time was 1:06 when she saw officer Tippit shot by a young man who had bushy hair, was wearing a jacket that was darker colored than the jacket displayed to her as the jacket of the killer, white shirt and black trousers.   

At the theater Lee Oswald was wearing a tawny gray colored shirt, ( Not a white shirt) and gray trousers......   

Mr. BALL. Did he have a jacket or a shirt? The man that you saw shoot Officer Tippit and run away, did you notice if he had a jacket on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had a jacket on when he done it.
Mr. BALL. What kind of a jacket, what general color of jacket?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It was a short jacket open in the front, kind of a grayish tan.


Mr. BALL. I have here an exhibit, Commission Exhibit 162, a jacket. Did you ever see this before?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No; I did not.
Mr. BALL. Does it look like, anything like, the jacket the man had on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It is short, open down the front. But that jacket it is a darker jacket than that, I know it was.
Mr. BALL. You don't think it was as light a jacket as that?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, it was darker than that, I know it was. At that moment I was so excited--
Mr. BALL. I show you a shirt here, which is Exhibit 150. Did you ever see a shirt the color of this?
Mrs. MARKHAM. The shirt that this man had, it was a lighter looking shirt than that.
Mr. BALL. The man who shot Tippit?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir; I think it was lighter.

[Alan Hardaker]

Fairly selective. What about the other witnesses? Davis sisters (in law), Scoggins, Benavides et al.

Ignoring them?

Four firearms experts testified that the empty cartridge cases, found near the crime scene, were fired from the Smith & Wesson 38 special caliber revolver taken from Oswald, when he was arrested at the theatre.And they declared that the four cartridges were fired from this weapon, to the exclussion of all others.

A total of 12 witnesses saw the man with the revolver.Six had picked Oswald out from line ups as the man at the crime scene .Three other identified him from photographs.Two others said he resembled the man at the crime scene. Not claiming this is being ignored.

There is an issue with the time in relation to Oswald getting from his rooming house at around the 1.02+ in time to get to the crime scene to commit murder. But that doesn't rule out Oswald. The eye witnesses and the ballistic evidence are to strong to be dismissed. And both those strong lines of evidence place Oswald at the crime scene.

[John Iacoletti]

Four firearms experts testified that the empty cartridge cases, found near the crime scene, were fired from the Smith & Wesson 38 special caliber revolver taken from Oswald, when he was arrested at the theatre.And they declared that the four cartridges were fired from this weapon, to the exclussion of all others.

Correction: cartridges that were handed to police by civilians (two of which were missing the policeman’s initials placed thereon) were matched to a revolver that Gerald Hill pulled out of his pocket 2 hours after Oswald’s arrest.

A total of 12 witnesses saw the man with the revolver.Six had picked Oswald out from line ups as the man at the crime scene .Three other identified him from photographs.Two others said he resembled the man at the crime scene. Not claiming this is being ignored.

Unfair, biased lineups are unreliable. Also, seeing a man with a handgun a block or two away from a crime scene isn’t evidence that the man shot anybody.

[Martin Weidmann]

Four firearms experts testified that the empty cartridge cases, found near the crime scene, were fired from the Smith & Wesson 38 special caliber revolver taken from Oswald, when he was arrested at the theatre.And they declared that the four cartridges were fired from this weapon, to the exclussion of all others.

A total of 12 witnesses saw the man with the revolver.Six had picked Oswald out from line ups as the man at the crime scene .Three other identified him from photographs.Two others said he resembled the man at the crime scene. Not claiming this is being ignored.

There is an issue with the time in relation to Oswald getting from his rooming house at around the 1.02+ in time to get to the crime scene to commit murder. But that doesn't rule out Oswald. The eye witnesses and the ballistic evidence are to strong to be dismissed. And both those strong lines of evidence place Oswald at the crime scene.

You make bold statements but can never back them up with actual evidence.... Why is that?

the Smith & Wesson 38 special caliber revolver taken from Oswald

Taken from Oswald? Really? And you know this, how?

As far as I know the chain of custody for the revolver started at the police station about two hours after Oswald was arrested, when Hill got some guys (some who had not even been at the arrest) to put a mark on a revolver he just presented to them. Since when do police officers walk around with a suspect's gun for two hours before turning it in to the evidence locker?

The eye witnesses and the ballistic evidence are to strong to be dismissed

Too strong? Really?

Eye witness testimony is the least reliable kind of evidence and there is no ballistic evidence to link the bullets recovered from Tippit's body to any weapon.

And both those strong lines of evidence place Oswald at the crime scene.

Actually, wishful thing does....

Why don't you try to provide a credible alternative to the Markham/Bowley timeline instead of ignoring it.

A fair minded person would accept that if Oswald physically couldn't have been there at around 1.06, when - as the actual evidence shows - Tippit was really shot, it could mean that the witnesses were wrong. But, I guess, hell needs to freeze over twice before you are willing to go there, right?