Tippit Shooting, 1:15

[Walt Cakebread]

"Any evidence indicating otherwise is to be ignored"

The above quote sounds like a quip from deep within the bowels of the smoke filled back rooms of the Warren Omission.

Smoke filled back rooms??....J. Edgar Hoover would never have permitted smoking during the meetings.

[Walt Cakebread]

Four firearms experts testified that the empty cartridge cases, found near the crime scene, were fired from the Smith & Wesson 38 special caliber revolver taken from Oswald, when he was arrested at the theatre.And they declared that the four cartridges were fired from this weapon, to the exclussion of all others.

A total of 12 witnesses saw the man with the revolver.Six had picked Oswald out from line ups as the man at the crime scene .Three other identified him from photographs.Two others said he resembled the man at the crime scene. Not claiming this is being ignored.

There is an issue with the time in relation to Oswald getting from his rooming house at around the 1.02+ in time to get to the crime scene to commit murder. But that doesn't rule out Oswald. The eye witnesses and the ballistic evidence are to strong to be dismissed. And both those strong lines of evidence place Oswald at the crime scene.

Four firearms experts testified that the empty cartridge cases, found near the crime scene, were fired from the Smith & Wesson 38 special caliber revolver taken from Oswald, when he was arrested at the theatre.And they declared that the four cartridges were fired from this weapon, to the exclussion of all others.

That's fine....Now please prove that those cartridges were the ones that were picked up at the scene, and tell us WHEN those cartridges were fired.

A total of 12 witnesses saw the man with the revolver.

Yes,  that's true... And what did those witnesses say about the manner in which the man unloaded the revolver?   Isn't it true that they all said that he unloaded the spent cartridges ONE AT A TIME as he walked away?  The revolver that was allegedly taken from Lee Oswald at the theater was a Smith & Wesson....  Smith and Wesson revolvers are designed to eject the cartridges all at the same time with a single push of the ejector rod.  This was demonstrated for the Warren Commission by an FBI agent who was using the revolver from the theater.  He pointed out that all of the shells were ejected at the same time and his hand was liberally coated with burned gun powder when he ejected the shells.
The man who shot JD Tippit removed one shell at a time and tossed the shell aside as he walked away....Thus the shells were found scattered over a wide area.   Obviously the man was NOT using the Smith & Wesson revolver that was allegedly taken from Lee Oswald at the theater.

There is an issue with the time in relation to Oswald getting from his rooming house at around the 1.02+ in time to get to the crime scene to commit murder. But that doesn't rule out Oswald.

So you recognize that Lee Oswald could not have traveled from the rooming house to the murder scene in about three minutes, but you still believe that that fact "doesn't rule out Oswald".....   Do I have that right?

[Bill Brown]

And Tippit’s death certificate that said he was DOA at the hospital at 1:15.

Can you post this please?

[Bill Brown]

I have tried this serveral times in the past, but so far no LNr has even tried to come up with a plausible scenario for Markham still being at 10th/Patton at 1:14 or 1:15 when she testified she left home "a little after 1" and the one block walk from her home on 9th street to the corner of 10th street and Patton would have taken her only 2, perhaps 3 minutes. Markham estimated in her testimony that she took the 1.15 bus to work every day. And before you go there, yes I know that according to the bus schedule (which btw nobody has ever been able to show me) there was a bus at 1.12 and one at 1.22. It actually doesn't matter which bus Markham was talking about, because a walk of two blocks to the bus stop would have taken her no more than 6 minutes. So, if she left home "a little after 1" she would have easily been at the bus stop at around 1.15 and thus not at 10th/Patton. In other words, Tippit must have been shot earlier than 1.15, most likely around 1.06, because otherwise Markham could not have witnessed it.

The same thing goes for Bowley. He arrived after Tippit was killed. In his affidavit he said he picked up his daughter at R.L. Thornton School in Singing Hills at "about 12:55". School bells, in my experience, have a tendency to ring at the correct time every day! Now, let's also not forget that, after picking up his daughter, Bowley was also going to pick up his wife from work, to go on a family holiday and thus had every reason to be on time and be aware of the time! The drive from the school to 10th/Patton is about 7 miles long and takes roughly 13 minutes, depending on the route, making it absolutely possible and plausible for him to arrive at 10th street at 1.10 pm, like he said he did in his affidavit.

But even if we are kind to the LNs and accept that Bowley didn't pick up his daughter on time (leaving her waiting for 5 minutes or longer) and did not leave the school until 1 PM, he still would have arrived at 10th/Patton at 1:13, which of course would have been prior to the shooting of Tippit at 1:15, as the WC narrative claims.

These two timelines alone justify, IMO, the conclusion that Tippit was in fact shot before 1:10 pm, which makes it nearly impossible for Oswald to have been there. But perhaps the LNs can provide a plausible scenario for these two timelines to be wrong...? I'll wait and see, but I won't hold my breath.

So you either believe that Tippit's body was lying in the street for almost ten minutes before someone attempted to report it over the police radio... or you believe the police tapes have been fudged.  Which do you believe?

[Bill Brown]

Correction: cartridges that were handed to police by civilians (two of which were missing the policeman’s initials placed thereon) were matched to a revolver that Gerald Hill pulled out of his pocket 2 hours after Oswald’s arrest.

Please explain the problem with the chain of custody of the two Davis shells.

[Bill Brown]

Also, seeing a man with a handgun a block or two away from a crime scene isn’t evidence that the man shot anybody.

Markham saw the shooting.

Scoggins and the two Davis girls saw the same man seen by Markham.

Callaway and Guinyard saw the same man seen by Scoggins and the two Davis girls.

Reynolds, Patterson and Russell saw the same man seen by Callaway and Guinyard.

Therefore, witnesses "a block away from the crime scene" saw the killer.

[Bill Brown]

There is no conflict. Both claims can be correct. People aren't always accurate and 100% complete in their recollections, in every conversation.

So it's now possible that Helen Markham left her house well past 1:00 and as a result, it's now possible that Markham was at Tenth and Patton well past 1:06.

Got it.

[Matthew Finch]

Has anyone ever considered that Oswald might have been on his way to finish off Walker - hence 'grabbing the pistol', the direction he 'supposedly' headed?

(100% speculation!)