Tippit Shooting, 1:15

[John Mytton]

Lee Harvey Oswald was no avid walker. Not at all athletic. I have not seen any report that he ever was.
Only the maniac on the run story
There are all kinds of documentation however, that he was a sedentary....reading/watching TV etc.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/pdf/WH25_CE_2650.pdf

Oswald was a lean mean ex Marine who was a trained killing machine and suggesting that this skinny athletic looking young man who never even owned a car was a physical slacker defies all belief? And don't forget 8 hours a day Oswald was carting books all over a 6 story building, you try it.

JohnM

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

Oswald was a lean mean ex Marine who was a trained killing machine and suggesting that this skinny athletic looking young man who never even owned a car was a physical slacker defies all belief? And don't forget 8 hours a day Oswald was carting books all over a 6 story building, you try it.

JohnM

All over a six-story... More time in other parts of the building so busy less energy complete exhaustion but you dream he was the Roger Bannister of Oakcliff. Never breaks a sweat at work or when arrested why? Because there was no race just LNers who like to increase the pace of Lee to make it fit a story which btw is still an impossible story. Not that you were any smarter when you were 4 yrs old but you probably had a better imagination. Lazy lazy

[Martin Weidmann]

Exactly, and even then the CT's cherry pick only the time eyewitnesses who support their Kooky conspiracy.

Earlene Roberts was half blind who apparently couldn't see squat but her "about 1PM" becomes exactly 1PM and even though she was distracted by the TV her "not longer than 3-4 minutes" guess becomes exactly 4 minutes.
Markham the "screwball" could remember a clock face but couldn't remember a human face.
Bowley's watch was never calibrated.
And this is constantly ignored, D.O.A. ffs means the time of death happened before the ambulance arrives.

At the end of the day the Police Radio transcripts present an easily verified timeline with a reasonable minor margin of error and this is the most accurate method for time estimation.

We all know how important time is when we are on our lunch breaks and Scoggins who was having his lunch said about 1:20 PM.

JohnM

More propaganda BS from the spin master.
Exaggeration and misrepresentation doesn't help your argument. After so many years of peddling your usual crap, you really should have understood that by now.

Earlene Roberts was half blind who apparently couldn't see squat but her "about 1PM" becomes exactly 1PM and even though she was distracted by the TV her "not longer than 3-4 minutes" guess becomes exactly 4 minutes.

Roberts was trying to get the TV to work because she wanted to watch the 1.00 pm news. That made her acutely aware of the time.

Markham the "screwball" could remember a clock face but couldn't remember a human face.

You mean the "screwball" who became the WC's star witness?

Markham knew exactly when to leave her home to catch her regular bus. That made her acutely aware of the time.

Bowley's watch was never calibrated.

It didn't have to be. If his clock was late by five minutes, as the LN fools suggest, he would have been 5 minutes late to pick up his daughter from school. He wasn't!

And this is constantly ignored, D.O.A. ffs means the time of death happened before the ambulance arrives.

Total BS. DPD detective Davenport (who was there) disagrees with you. He said Tippit was declared DOA at 1.15 at the hospital.

At the end of the day the Police Radio transcripts present an easily verified timeline with a reasonable minor margin of error and this is the most accurate method for time estimation.

An easily verified timeline LOL

So, under no circumstance could you put any stock in the real world time references by the belt or any continuity on time references because there were no time references on the belt; they were only spoken times, and those spoken times had no faithful validity... - James C. Bowles, Communications Supervisor of the Dallas Police Department.

 http://www.jfk-online.com/bowles1.html#set

We all know how important time is when we are on our lunch breaks and Scoggins who was having his lunch said about 1:20 PM.

Just how often will you keep repeating this already debunked piece of BS

Scoggins actually wasn't aware of the time at all. Anybody who reads his testimony will find that he got his time wrong. In his testimony he said he picked up a gentleman at Love Field at approx 12:35 and he discharged him at 321 North Ewing at 1:00. 

Mr. SCOGGINS. Well, I picked up a gentleman at Love Field at approximately 12:35, I would say, and I discharged him at 1 o'clock at 321 North Ewing.

However, that trip is only 9,9 miles long and, depending on how one drives, doesn't take anymore than 16 to max. 20 minutes. In other words, he got to North Ewing at 12:55 or even earlier. He then goes on to say that he went to the Gentlemen's Club he believed to be at 125 Patton, which is only a 2 to 3 minutes drive. I know, Johnny doesn't like this kind of deductive reasoning, but for those without a bias, it's obvious that Scoggins really must have arrived at the Club just before 1:00 PM.

Then it gets really dodgy for John, because Scoggins himself can't even say for sure just how long he was at the club before returning to his car making his estimate of no value whatsoever....

But then, it's really the only thing Johnny has to hold on, so he goes with Scoggins estimate at 1:20 being "near perfect" when it really isn't. In fact it's actually some five minutes after the WC bible tells him Tippit was shot.

Btw it is hilarious that you complain about time estimates by witnesses, only to rely on an estimate by Scoggins.

[Martin Weidmann]

No kidding Einstein, we're discussing an era when the way to set your watch was from other inaccurate sources so clearly from all this vague information there is no way to get the exact minute and second of Tippit's murder.

But we do have a ton of eyewitnesses who positively Identified Oswald in the bright outdoors, walking away from the Tippit murder scene with a revolver.
A revolver was sent to Oswald's PO Box and the same revolver was with Oswald at the theater.
The shells dropped at the scene were a precise match to Oswald's revolver.
Joseph Nicol provided photographic evidence that one bullet in Tippit was found to be an exclusive match to Oswald's revolver.
Oswald's jacket was recovered in a car park that Oswald was seen entering.
Oswald was arrested without his jacket.
Oswald resisted arrest and pulled out his revolver to kill more cops.
Case Closed!

JohnM

No kidding Einstein, we're discussing an era when the way to set your watch was from other inaccurate sources so clearly from all this vague information there is no way to get the exact minute and second of Tippit's murder.

More BS... radio and television news casts happened at specific times, making it an easy way to set one's watch.


the way to set your watch was from other inaccurate sources

That would include the two clocks used by the DPD dispatchers. According to Bowles, the only more or less reliable clock in the room was behind them and even that had a error margin of 2 minutes either way.

Everything else in your post is standard LN propaganda and of no value or significance.

[Martin Weidmann]

This vid from the freak could be 90% wrong but that would still leave a whole lot more right than anything you push. Don't you think there is some room for you to agree? Be honest

You are really asking Mytton to be honest? Really?

[Martin Weidmann]

Well John, the following document is quite clear, Tippit arrived DOA at the hospital therefore the time of death which by definition must have happened before Tippit arrives at the hospital, was 1:15 P.M. Sorry, you lose!

Amazing... the document clearly gives the Methodist Hospital at the place of death and 1.15 pm as the time of death, yet Mytton still misrepresents the information provided by the document.   

What you or I want is irrelevant, the fact is that the Dallas Police radio was based on a clock that was calibrated because time was the basic backbone of the job and having as accurate time as possible was paramount.
Btw an important part of your Tippit timeline relies on a "screwball", how does that work?

JohnM

the fact is that the Dallas Police radio was based on a clock that was calibrated

Before you start telling lies, you might want to make sure you are up to date with the known facts....

Two quotes from the same page: http://www.jfk-online.com/bowles1.html#set

A master clock on the telephone room wall was connected to the City Hall system. This clock reported "official" time. Within the dispatcher's office there were numerous other time giving and time recording devices, both in the telephone room and in the radio room. Telephone operators and radio operators were furnished "Simplex" clocks. Because the hands often worked loose, they indicated the incorrect time. However, their purpose was to stamp the time, day and date on incoming calls. While they were reliable at this, they were not synchronized as stated in the Committee report. Therefore, it was not uncommon for the time stamped on calls to be a minute to two ahead or behind the "official" time shown on the master clock. Accordingly, at "exactly" 10:10, various clocks could be stamping from 10:08 to 10:12, for example. When clocks were as much as a minute or so out of synchronization it was normal procedure to make the needed adjustments. During busy periods this was not readily done.

There is no way to connect "police time" with "real time." The Committee Report stated that the Dallas Police Communications system was recorded by continuously operating recorders. That statement is incorrect. Channel 1 was recorded on a Dictaphone A2TC, Model 5, belt or loop recorder. Channel 2 was recorded on a Gray "Audograph" flat disk recorder. Both were duplex units with one recording and one on standby for when the other unit contained a full recording. Both units were sound activated. It is important to note "sound" rather than "voice" because either sound or noise from any source, received through the transmission line, would activate the recorders. Once activated, the recorders remained "on" for the duration of the activating sound plus 4 seconds. The four second delay permitted brief pauses or answers to questions without the relay mechanism being overworked. On occasion, the recorders would operate almost continuously because rapid radio traffic kept them operating. On November 22, 1963, the Channel 1 recorders became, for practical purposes, continuous recorders for just over five minutes starting at approximately 12:29 pm (Channel 1 time) because the microphone on a police motorcycle stuck in the "on" position. The resulting continuous transmission kept the Channel 1 recorders operating for just over five minutes thus giving us a real-time recording for that period. The only problem was determining a basis for an accurate time reference during that period.

Spoken time stamps that could be two minutes ahead or behind the "official" time (whatever that is), recorded on voice activated devices do not provide a solid basis for preparing accurate transcripts.

[Jerry Freeman]

Well John, the following document is quite clear, Tippit arrived DOA at the hospital therefore the time of death which by definition must have happened before Tippit arrives at the hospital, was 1:15 P.M. Sorry, you lose!

You are wrong Colombo.... DOA means dead on arrival not dead before arrival.
Just like the others are posting-----------------------
The certificate states place of death....Methodist Hospital.....where he was pronounced dead at 1:15.
Yeah it was clear--so you can't go and muddy it up with conjecture and wishful thinking.
 

Oswald was a lean mean ex Marine who was a trained killing machine and suggesting that this skinny athletic looking young man who never even owned a car was a physical slacker defies all belief? And don't forget 8 hours a day Oswald was carting books all over a 6 story building, you try it.

OK...Oswald worked out at the gym? A killing machine? I thought he was a radar tech. Please stop the asinine remarks it is reducing what IQ you have left.

[Tom Scully]

Despite presenting proof I am confident he had read, David Von Pein ignored my discovery Virginia Davis lied about her age to DPD in November, 1963 (she claimed she was age 16 while birth records show she was not age 16 until June, 1964) and in her WC testimony in April of the following year.:

(Sister-in-law Barbara admittedly witnessed much less than Virginia.)

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24856-the-tippit-case-in-the-new-millenium/page/3/
Posted May 3, 2018 (edited)
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

The best witnesses to prove Oswald's guilt in the Tippit murder are, IMO, the two Davis girls, who each IDed Oswald later that day [11/22/63] in a lineup. And they each saw LHO dumping shells out of a REVOLVER. (Ergo, the killer was not armed with an "automatic", which would be foolish in this case anyway, since--per CTers--they were trying to "frame" good ol' Lee Harvey for this 2nd murder too; so why would they frame him with an automatic when the patsy didn't own such a weapon?)

Barbara Davis Affidavit

Virginia Davis Affidavit

There is no safe hiding place for the conspiracy theorists in the Tippit case. Oswald left his calling card at the scene, and was positively identified by multiple witnesses (either doing the shooting or fleeing the area immediately afterward).

No amount of conspiracy spin will exonerate Lee Oswald for J.D. Tippit's slaying....

On the same page as David's 2018 assertion, Karl Kinaski posted.:

What we know for sure is the time Tippit was shot. It was 1:06 pm. Quote from a CTKA review of Barry Earnest book THE GIRL ON THE STAIRS: 

"Barry then visited the scene of policeman J. D. Tippit's shooting. Here, he meets a witness that no agent of government had talked to, a Mrs. Higgins who lived nearby. She offered him some very important information. She had heard the shots and ran out her front door to see Tippit lying in the street. Barry asked her what time it was. She said it was 1:06. He asked her how she recalled that specific time. She said because she was watching TV and the announcer said it. So she automatically checked her clock when he said it and he was right." (Pronto after that announcement she heard the shots which killed Tippit)

Donald Reed Higgin's death certificate of October 25, 1969, indicates the couple still resided at 417 East Tenth, (1963 Dallas city directory displays "417 East Tenth, Apt. C").



Ten years later, the widowed Mrs. Higgins:


The reporting person on the Higgins death certificate was "Mrs. D.R. Higgins". I found her grave (died about 1993) (Willa Mae, since remarried) in Oklahoma, and husband Donald's grave is here.:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/12058614/donald-reed-higgins

I doubt there will be any interest, but widow Willa Mae Higgins remarried after husband Donald's death in 1969 and my data
on Willa Mae's remarried last name and her grave location in Oklahoma is on a hard drive of an old computer. If I receive a request, I will put more time into finding those details. I also recall locating her obituary.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/17359-new-book-on-victoria-adams-by-author-barry-ernest/page/4/?tab=comments#comment-256026
Guest Tom Scully  Posted June 30, 2012
Barry, after reading this post yesterday, your interview of the Higgins couple at 417 E. 10th St.,

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8366&st=75#entry256022

.....I wondered when you interviewed them, what their background was and what became of them.

Your interview impresses any reader with the weight of the knowledge Mrs. Higgins had hanging over her.

If she is to believed, it was impossible for Oswald to have arrived at the murder scene in time to shoot

officer Tippit at 1:06 pm.

After her husband, Donald Reed Higgins died at age 59, in October, 1969, Mrs. D.R. Higgins did what anyone

in her position would be likely to do. She buried her husband in another state, and disappeared. She does not

occupy the grave next to her husband's, and I find no trace of her. I am not alone. A nephew of her husband seems to

have the same frustration. He provides the details that Higgins was an accomplished pianist who played at the Patio Lounge, and that Mrs. Higgins was a native American from Oklahoma who was named Billie.....

.....

https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/txdallas.rootsweb.com/thread/18151442/ WOW!!! Jim you are a geneaology angel. This is the first breakthrough in finding my Uncle Donald. His younger brother is going to be so happy, after all it has been almost 60 years since we heard from Donald. What else can I do to find out more stuff? Most grateful, Robert Leonard

Those damned "injuns," gettin' drunk on fire water and spewing their lies!

Unfortunately, the details provided to Higgins's nephew, Robert Leonard in 2002 of a Willa Mae Higgins who had died in Texas were inaccurate, pertaining to a different Willa Mae. Robert Leonard was still searching, seven years later.:

https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/txdallas.rootsweb.com/thread/3266256/
[TXDALLAS] Looking for a Dallas street
Robert Leonard
2/27/2009, 4:38:24 AM

In the late 1940s my ant and uncle (Donald Reed Higgins) lived across the
street from a very large park. I'm confident the name of their street was
Lemoine. I can't find it however, and was hoping that somebody might know of
it? Thanks, robert leonard