Is This Our Man?

[Alan Ford]

Nope, if you watch the film in slow motion, you can see he's clutching something dark-colored, maybe the curved handle of an umbrella.

--  MWT 

LOL!

Did this man have black hands as well as a white spot on his head?

Nope! His left hand is in his pocket now. 

And the light area the red arrow here is pointing to probably belongs to the leg of the young woman in the white top (and red skirt):



If not that, then it's part of the ground!

 

[Jerry Freeman]

The guy with the doo?----It's Ace Ventura....

[Royell Storing]

Mr Davidson put a longer gif together back in 2011:



The thread in question (on the Education Forum) was started by Mr Thomas Graves who argued that "Tan Jacket Man, as he turns around and starts walking, hands something to the blue-coated man".

   Anyone know if that is a Nash Rambler Station Wagon on the (L) ?

[John Iacoletti]

Why would Euins' bald spot man have his head turned to his left?

[Jack Trojan]

Bald spot man (BSM) appears to have his left hand out of his pocket and as he turns he looks down at whatever the blue coat guy (BCG) is holding (briefcase?) and either drops something into whatever the BCG is holding or just puts his left hand directly in his pocket. He definitely is looking at whatever the BCG is holding and the BCG responds by looking away. It does look suspicious but it's meaningless unless it can be established that this was Euins' BSM. If there was a transfer it was because BSM needed to ditch evidence and BCG was less likely to be searched.

[John Mytton]

Friends, Officer Marrion Baker in his affidavit of 11/22/63 described the man he encountered "walking away from the stairway" on the "third or fourth floor" as follows:

"a white man approximately 30 years old, 5' 9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket".

Truly supports the lunchroom encounter.

Mr. TRULY. I saw the officer almost directly in the doorway of the lunch-room facing Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. BELIN. And where was Lee Harvey Oswald at the time you saw him?
Mr. TRULY. He was at the front of the lunchroom, not very far inside he was just inside the lunchroom door.
Mr. BELIN. All right.

Oswald tells Fritz that he encountered a cop in the lunchroom.

Mr. BALL. At that time didn't you know that one of your officers, Baker, had seen Oswald on the second floor?
Mr. FRITZ. They told me about that down at the bookstore; I believe Mr. Truly or someone told me about it, told me they had met him--I think he told me, person who told me about, I believe told me that they met him on the stairway, but our investigation shows that he actually saw him in a lunchroom, a little lunchroom where they were eating, and he held his gun on this man and Mr. Truly told him that he worked there, and the officer let him go.
Mr. BALL. Did you question Oswald about that?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; I asked him about that and he knew that the officer stopped him all right.
Mr. BALL. Did you ask him what he was doing in the lunchroom?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he was having his lunch. He had a cheese sandwich and a Coca-Cola.
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he had a Coca-Cola.

Holmes remembers something about a coke and recalls Oswald telling him how he was stopped by a cop but Truly said he was an employee.

Mr. HOLMES. He said when lunchtime came he was working in one of the upper floors with a Negro.
The Negro said, "Come on and let's eat lunch together."
Apparently both of them having a sack lunch. And he said, "You go ahead, send the elevator back up to me and I will come down just as soon as I am finished."
And he didn't say what he was doing. There was a commotion outside, which he later rushed downstairs to go out to see what was going on. He didn't say whether he took the stairs down. He didn't say whether he took the elevator down.
But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved.
He mentioned something about a coke. But a police officer asked him who he was, and just as he started to identify himself, his superintendent came up and said, "He is one of our men." And the policeman said, "Well, you step aside for a little bit."
Then another man rushed in past him as he started out the door, in this vestibule part of it, and flashed some kind of credential and he said, "Where is your telephone, where is your telephone, and said I am so and so, where is your telephone."
And he said, "I didn't look at the credential. I don't know who he said he was, and I just pointed to the phone and said, 'there it is,' and went on out the door."

JohnM

[Walt Cakebread]

Truly supports the lunchroom encounter.

Mr. TRULY. I saw the officer almost directly in the doorway of the lunch-room facing Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. BELIN. And where was Lee Harvey Oswald at the time you saw him?
Mr. TRULY. He was at the front of the lunchroom, not very far inside he was just inside the lunchroom door.
Mr. BELIN. All right.

Oswald tells Fritz that he encountered a cop in the lunchroom.

Mr. BALL. At that time didn't you know that one of your officers, Baker, had seen Oswald on the second floor?
Mr. FRITZ. They told me about that down at the bookstore; I believe Mr. Truly or someone told me about it, told me they had met him--I think he told me, person who told me about, I believe told me that they met him on the stairway, but our investigation shows that he actually saw him in a lunchroom, a little lunchroom where they were eating, and he held his gun on this man and Mr. Truly told him that he worked there, and the officer let him go.
Mr. BALL. Did you question Oswald about that?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; I asked him about that and he knew that the officer stopped him all right.
Mr. BALL. Did you ask him what he was doing in the lunchroom?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he was having his lunch. He had a cheese sandwich and a Coca-Cola.
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he had a Coca-Cola.

Holmes remembers something about a coke and recalls Oswald telling him how he was stopped by a cop but Truly said he was an employee.

Mr. HOLMES. He said when lunchtime came he was working in one of the upper floors with a Negro.
The Negro said, "Come on and let's eat lunch together."
Apparently both of them having a sack lunch. And he said, "You go ahead, send the elevator back up to me and I will come down just as soon as I am finished."
And he didn't say what he was doing. There was a commotion outside, which he later rushed downstairs to go out to see what was going on. He didn't say whether he took the stairs down. He didn't say whether he took the elevator down.
But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved.
He mentioned something about a coke. But a police officer asked him who he was, and just as he started to identify himself, his superintendent came up and said, "He is one of our men." And the policeman said, "Well, you step aside for a little bit."
Then another man rushed in past him as he started out the door, in this vestibule part of it, and flashed some kind of credential and he said, "Where is your telephone, where is your telephone, and said I am so and so, where is your telephone."
And he said, "I didn't look at the credential. I don't know who he said he was, and I just pointed to the phone and said, 'there it is,' and went on out the door."

JohnM

Mr. BALL. Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?

Mr. FRITZ. He said he had a Coca-Cola.

Thank you for posting what Fritz said.....   I'm sure you know that LBJ's "Special Committee" desperately tried to expunge the "Drinking a coke" from Marrion Baker's affidavit because if Lee had already bought the coke when Baker encountered him then Lee couldn't possibly have been at the SE corner window on the sixth floor at the time JFK was murdered.   The reason:    It would have taken Lee about thirty seconds to get the coins from his pocket , put them in the machine, and then have the machine deliver his coke.....  So, if Lee already had the coke in his hand, then there simply wasn't enough time for Lee to have been on the sixth floor and traveled to the lunchroom, when Baker encountered him there.

[Royell Storing]

Mr. BALL. Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?

Mr. FRITZ. He said he had a Coca-Cola.

Thank you for posting what Fritz said.....   I'm sure you know that LBJ's "Special Committee" desperately tried to expunge the "Drinking a coke" from Marrion Baker's affidavit because if Lee had already bought the coke when Baker encountered him then Lee couldn't possibly have been at the SE corner window on the sixth floor at the time JFK was murdered.   The reason:    It would have taken Lee about thirty seconds to get the coins from his pocket , put them in the machine, and then have the machine deliver his coke.....  So, if Lee already had the coke in his hand, then there simply wasn't enough time for Lee to have been on the sixth floor and traveled to the lunchroom, when Baker encountered him there.

    As is usually the case, the intent here is False Time Stamping. Both Lovelady and Shelley Testified they went across the Elm Ext and stood on that island for 2-3 minutes Prior to going down the Elm Ext to the edge of the railroad yard. Lovelady said he looked back and saw Officer Baker running toward the TSBD. This puts Baker entering the TSBD roughly 2-3 minutes AFTER the Kill Shot vs the 45 seconds or whatever hogwash the WC and Hargis agreed to. The False time stamping of assassination images is perpetuated with testimony such as Officer Baker's. This False Time Stamping would include what we are told is the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass as seen on the Wiegman Film. The Time Stamping has been intentionally Manipulated roughly 1-3 minutes.