A Candidate For Prayer Person?

[Larry Trotter]

At 12:30pm, CST, on 11/22/'63, there were numerous persons that were known to be standing on the top step/landing and stairs of the TexasSchoolBookDepository Building as the Presidential Motorcade turned onto Elm St and drove past the Elm St Entrance. And, said persons being employed at the TSBD Bldg, most if not all, knew who LeeHarveyOswald was. And, if not then certainly later, knew him by sight and name.

However, not a single eyewitness/occupant of the top step/landing/stairs ever gave sworn statements/testimony that LHO was on said top step/landing/stairs as the Limousine carrying President and Mrs Kennedy, as well as Governor and Mrs Connally drove past the TSBD Bldg.

[Chris Davidson]

Friends, now that Mr Oswald has been found in the Wiegman film-----------



-----------we can rule him out as Prayer Person in Wiegman. 

As I have argued elsewhere, Prayer Person in Wiegman is in fact Mr Bill Shelley.

But! Who is Prayer Person in Darnell?



It's not Mr Shelley, that's for sure.

Could it be Mr Oswald? It's just possible, though I now strongly doubt it (for a reason I won't go into here... oh alright then: white tshirt!).

The problem is, no other Depository employee fits the bill. 

However! Here's a new candidate: Mr Ken DuVall.

 

Did you eliminate other possible causes of the Wiegman double images?
How about "camera shake".
If interested, starting at 6min27sec in, https://www.digital-photo-secrets.com/tip/129/the-top-4-causes-of-blurry-photos-and-how-to-fix-them/

If you start from the right hand side of the Wiegman sequence provided, which is earlier in the film sequence, from right to left (3 frames), the shake is slowly steadying while the prayerperson image in the shadows becomes more in focus, albeit still in shadow.
Same concept in the two left-hand frames.

[Alan Ford]

Did you eliminate other possible causes of the Wiegman double images?
How about "camera shake".
(~Snip~)
If you start from the right hand side of the Wiegman sequence provided, which is earlier in the film sequence, from right to left (3 frames), the shake is slowly steadying while the prayerperson image in the shadows becomes more in focus, albeit still in shadow.
Same concept in the two left-hand frames.

There is of course some camera shake & motion blur in these frames, but the phenomenon in multiple Lovelady@HigherElevation frames of a double head, one higher than the other, only attaches itself to Mr Lovelady------------the person in the doorway who has a 'shadow' down his side that (despite the best efforts of you & others, Mr Davidson) cannot be explained as a natural shadow.

If this were in the Zapruder film, you would be all over it!

[Alan J. Ford]

Nothing more than intimidation, Mr. Trotter, especially when the safety and well being of one's loved ones are at stake/risk. Courage doesn't grow on trees, Mr. Trotter, especially when the risk far outweigh the rewards.

We all know what becomes of anyone who dares to come forward with the truth, especially if it involves seeing say the late John Gotti mete out mob "justice". Suddenly, amid a real paralyzing fear, no one saw anything. Same paralyzing fear  is evident here in this case as well. Those people out on the steps there were essentially made an offer they could not refuse. It's that simple really.

The wrongly accused was right out there with them, how else could he have known precisely where Bill Shelley stood? Anyone genuinely up on the sixth floor and/or 2nd floor could not see Bill Shelly's specific position back in the landing.

 The wrongly accused was framed.

[Alan J. Ford]

Great thanks for posting this 1963 photograph of Mr DuVall! 

Not sure we can write off his being Prayer Man from this...



Mr DuVall is in sunlight here, but his hair on the left side (i.e. right as we look) looks quite dark (compare the effect of the sun on his wife's dark hair!).

If Mr Duvall's hair was not quite so tightly cut on 11/22/63, and if we are seeing Prayer Man's head in profile, then this could be a match IMO.

 

[/img][/img] <----- made several good faith efforts to insert a much clearer photo for review, Mr. Ford, with any good fortune my forum benefactor, who has already aided me twice now w/posting a photo will complete the hat trick. Thanks in advance, cheers.

Otherwise, click on the following link for a much clearer Prayer Man comparison ---->

http://jfkact.org/?p=940

Scroll down to 3rd image. Unlike Mr. DuVall, Prayer Man does not present with a forehead shaped "V".

[Alan Ford]

[/img][/img] <----- made several good faith efforts to insert a much clearer photo for review, Mr. Ford, with any good fortune my forum benefactor, who has already aided me twice now w/posting a photo will complete the hat trick. Thanks in advance, cheers.

Otherwise, click on the following link for a much clearer Prayer Man comparison ---->

http://jfkact.org/?p=940

Scroll down to 3rd image. Unlike Mr. DuVall, Prayer Man does not present with a forehead shaped "V".

Hmmm, to be honest, Mr Ford, I'm not sure this enhancement isn't adding information not in the original image:



If Mr Duvall in shadow and with somewhat longer hair------------



------------were to rotate into near-full profile, I think he might well appear this way:



 

[Alan J. Ford]

Akin to our respective placement of the wrongly accused outside of the TSBD-in the front entrance of his workplace during the P. Parade, Mr.  Ford, we'll also have to respectfully disagree upon Mr. DuVall as a candidate for Prayer Man as well.

That said, I am grateful to you for bringing some looooong overdue attention to the front entrance of the TSBD, and its occupants standing there.

If I get a response to my inquiry w/Mr. DuVall's employer, Central Freight, in respect to the uniform colour(s) scheme of their drivers covering Mr. DuVall's employment period, will certainly retrace my steps back here to share that development here. In the photos to date we have of Mr. DuVall, courtesy of his surviving daughter's FB page,  it's not in character for him to present as a shabby dressed-down warehouse-man, with torn/ripped clothing left untucked/untidy.

We also have to take into account...hold that thought brb...Fido!!!!!

*Continuation...

My apologies, we rescued our pet dog from an animal shelter years ago, and there are times when he displays behaviour as if he has a few stubborn mules in his ancestry. As I was saying before, we also have to take into account the CE 1381 statements of the 69 TSBD employees, where in chorus all said they did not see any strangers that afternoon, which begs the question even IF Mr. DuVall was acquainted with several of them via his occasional delivery duties, How do we explain away the statements of the vast majority not acquainted with him? as they ventured back up the stairs to return inside the building...

Surely at least one clerk-typist, if not two dozen more working in a private office in the building void of seeing any deliveries being made, would have made mention of him as a stranger.  Not even 1 out of 69...that's very telling.

[Chris Davidson]

There is of course some camera shake & motion blur in these frames, but the phenomenon in multiple Lovelady@HigherElevation frames of a double head, one higher than the other, only attaches itself to Mr Lovelady------------the person in the doorway who has a 'shadow' down his side that (despite the best efforts of you & others, Mr Davidson) cannot be explained as a natural shadow.

If this were in the Zapruder film, you would be all over it!

I asked if you tried to eliminate other possibilities.
For instance: De-interlacing along with Inverse telecining.
After that, stabilizing five consecutive frames and then creating a back/forth loop to compare Lovelady's characteristic movements with other objects within the same five frames.
From memory, my initial re-entry into this foray was the video posting of the cop stepping out of the shadow with a vertical shadow across his back and horizontal across his helmet.
I did not say anything about how far he was from the west wall or what time it was.
In fact, I have not stated an opinion on either the shadow or the double-head since then.
I have supplied examples for others if they wanted to form their own opinions.
You seem to have forgotten my railing gif that clearly showed which side the black hatted lady was on.
Also, a graphic showing the distance between the railing and the west wall(at 12:30, according to James H) relating to where that shadow falls.
Are there other sources of light within that alcove?