Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy

[Tim Nickerson]

Don't tell me he's one of those tits who wants it to be "proven" that the shirt was bunched up.

I would never tell you that Jerry.

[Gary Craig]

Don't tell me he's one of those tits who wants it to be "proven" that the shirt was bunched up.

Bunched or not, doesn't change the location of the bullet holes.

Rankin tells McCloy they have color photos of JFK's body from the autopsy


Rankin tells an executive session of the WC that they have a picture that shows the wound in JFK's back is lower than the one in the front of his neck.


Report from the autopsy says Dr. Humes located a bullet hole in JFK, below the shoulder.

[Tim Nickerson]

Bunched or not, doesn't change the location of the bullet holes.

That's right Gary.

"Examination of photographs of anterior and posterior views of thorax, and anterior, posterior and lateral views of neck (Photographs 3, 4, 6, 9, 10, 11, 12, 15, 17, 18, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 38, 39, 40, 41). There is an elliptical penetrating wound of the skin of the back located approximately 15 cm. medial to the right acromial process, 5 cm. lateral to the mid-dorsal line and 14 cm. below the right mastoid process. This wound lies approximately 5.5 cm. below a transverse fold in the skin of the neck. This fold can also be seen in a lateral view of the neck which shows an anterior tracheotomy wound. This view makes it possible to compare the levels of these two wounds in relation to that of the horizontal plane of the body. A well defined zone of discoloration of the edge of the back wound, most pronounced on its upper and outer margins, identifies it as having the characteristics of the entrance wound of a bullet. The wound with its marginal abrasion measures approximately 7 mm. in width by 10 mm. in length. The dimensions of this cutaneous wound are consistent with those of a wound produced by a bullet similar to that which constitutes exhibit CE 399. At the site of and above the tracheotomy incision in the front of the neck, there can be identified the upper half of the circumference of a circular cutaneous wound the appearance of which is characteristic of that of the exit wound of a bullet. The lower half of this circular wound is obscured by the surgically produced tracheotomy incision which transects it. The center of the circular wound is situated approximately 9 cm. below the transverse fold in the skin of the neck described in a preceding paragraph. This indicates that the bullet which produced the two wounds followed a course downward and to the left in Its passage through the body."

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[Ray Mitcham]

So we have Humes whom saw the bullet hole below the shoulders.
We have Rankin who said they had photos of the hole in the back.
We have Dr Ebersole  "As we turned the body on the autopsy table there was a textbook classical wound of entrance upper right back to the right of the midline three or four centimeters to the right of the midline just perhaps inside the medial board to the upper scapula."
We have Glen Bennett, S.S. who saw a shot hit the boss about 4" down from the right shoulder.
We have James Jenkins  who saw a wound  10 centimeters lower than the tracheotomy site in the anterior neck.
We have Paul O'Connor "Finally we turned the body over, and there was a bullet wound-an entrance wound-in his back, on the right side of his spinal column. To emphasize where it was in proximity to the rest of his body: if you bend your neck down and feel back, you feel a lump and that's the seventh cervical vertebra."
We have the autopsy sheet which shows the wound in the back not the neck, We have the jacket and shirt where the holes show the bullet wound in the back.
We have the President's death certificate which places the wound at the third thoracic vertebra, which corresponds to the holes in the coat and shirt. This document was also marked "verified."

We have Tom Robinson from the Funeral home " There was  "wound in the back 5 to 6inches  below the shoulder, to the right of the backbone."

We have Floyd Riebe, one of the photographers who took pictures at the autopsy, recalls that the back wound was probed and that it was well below the neck .
We have  Former Bethesda lab assistant Jan Gail Rudnicki, who was present for much of the autopsy, says the wound was "several inches down on the back".

We have former Parkland nurse Diana Bowron, who washed the President's body before it was placed in the casket, has indicated that the back wound was two to three inches below the hole shown in the alleged autopsy photo of JFK's back, and this hole, by the HSCA's own admission, is about two inches lower than where the WC placed the wound. In other words, Nurse Bowron located the wound five to six inches below the neck, and at the same time challenged the authenticity of the alleged autopsy picture of the President's back. We will return to her account in a moment.

We have Clint Hill, the Secret Service agent who climbed aboard the President's car after the shooting, described the back wound to Hale Boggs under oath. ?I saw an opening in the back, about six inches below the neckline to the right hand side of the spinal column.?

We have Sibert and On'Neill "Dr Humes located an opening which appeared to be a bullet hole which was below the shoulders and two inches to the right of the spinal column.



And to counter all the above the Feluccas have only the jacket and shirt bunched up exactly the same amount.  ROTFLMAO

[Gary Craig]

That's right Gary.

"Examination of photographs of anterior and posterior views of thorax, and anterior, posterior and lateral views of neck (Photographs 3, 4, 6, 9, 10, 11, 12, 15, 17, 18, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 38, 39, 40, 41). There is an elliptical penetrating wound of the skin of the back located approximately 15 cm. medial to the right acromial process, 5 cm. lateral to the mid-dorsal line and 14 cm. below the right mastoid process. This wound lies approximately 5.5 cm. below a transverse fold in the skin of the neck. This fold can also be seen in a lateral view of the neck which shows an anterior tracheotomy wound. This view makes it possible to compare the levels of these two wounds in relation to that of the horizontal plane of the body. A well defined zone of discoloration of the edge of the back wound, most pronounced on its upper and outer margins, identifies it as having the characteristics of the entrance wound of a bullet. The wound with its marginal abrasion measures approximately 7 mm. in width by 10 mm. in length. The dimensions of this cutaneous wound are consistent with those of a wound produced by a bullet similar to that which constitutes exhibit CE 399. At the site of and above the tracheotomy incision in the front of the neck, there can be identified the upper half of the circumference of a circular cutaneous wound the appearance of which is characteristic of that of the exit wound of a bullet. The lower half of this circular wound is obscured by the surgically produced tracheotomy incision which transects it. The center of the circular wound is situated approximately 9 cm. below the transverse fold in the skin of the neck described in a preceding paragraph. This indicates that the bullet which produced the two wounds followed a course downward and to the left in Its passage through the body."

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Problem is the wound wasn't dissected at the original autopsy. In fact they initially missed the wound

in the front of JFK's throat.

And, as Clark explained to LBJ in this 1-21-67 recorded phone call, the autopsy photo that would have

shown the direction and path of the bullet was missing.

Here is the Attorney General, in a taped phone call, telling LBJ they don't have the photo of JFK's right lung.
The one Humes testified was taken.

http://www.jfklancer.com/Clark.LBJ.html

Date: 1-21-67 12:00 Noon

Time: 7 mins 25 secs at the end of a 8 mins 31 secs conversation

Phone Conversation between Acting Attorney General Ramsey Clark and President Lyndon Johnson
Re: Autopsy Photos

-snip-

"That is, there may be a photo missing. Dr. Humes, Commander and Naval doctor, testified before the Warren Commission
that this one photo made of the highest portion of the right lung."

-snip-

"It could be contended that that photo could show the course and direction the bullet that entered the lower part of the
neck and exited the front part."

-snip-

"We are left with one specific problem. Dr. Humes did testify before the Warren Commission there was such a photo [that]
we don't have."

-snip-

[Ray Mitcham]

Does Bennett mean the shoulder line?

Brainless question

C7 sounds pretty good.

At least we agree on something.

Not buying the bunching stuff?

Brainless question.

If Robinson meant the shoulder line, OK. If he meant below the shoulder body mass, then there's a problem.

Why wouldn't he have said below the shoulder body mass?

The wound occurred near the boundary of different body masses and people use the terms shoulder, neck and back interchangeably.

Nice graphics, Jerry. Pity they are immaterial.

Diana Bowron didn't mention the back wound in her WC testimony or contemporaneous newspaper articles.

She was talking about how she saw the body in the car in her WC testimony.

That she "remembered" it nearly two decades later with the assistance of kook Livingstone and an autopsy photo of the back--and then claimed the photo was wrong--suggests arm-twisting.

Just your opinion.

Neckline? Is that the hairline?

Another brainless question

Are they talking about the shoulder line? Or below the shoulder mass? The critics never bother to figure it out. As long as it sounds like it's real low, so they just brainlessly go with it.

You mean the same brainless way you accept the Specter's single bullet theory?

If you can show a good-resolution picture (that excludes the Willis and Betzner photos) from the motorcade showing clearly the nape area of the jacket that doesn't show a bunch, be my guest.

If you can show a good resolution photo of JFK's shirt bunching up whilst he was in the limo,  be my guest.

[Bill Chapman]

Problem is the wound wasn't dissected at the original autopsy. In fact they initially missed the wound

in the front of JFK's throat.

And, as Clark explained to LBJ in this 1-21-67 recorded phone call, the autopsy photo that would have

shown the direction and path of the bullet was missing.

Here is the Attorney General, in a taped phone call, telling LBJ they don't have the photo of JFK's right lung.
The one Humes testified was taken.

http://www.jfklancer.com/Clark.LBJ.html

Date: 1-21-67 12:00 Noon

Time: 7 mins 25 secs at the end of a 8 mins 31 secs conversation

Phone Conversation between Acting Attorney General Ramsey Clark and President Lyndon Johnson
Re: Autopsy Photos

-snip-

"That is, there may be a photo missing. Dr. Humes, Commander and Naval doctor, testified before the Warren Commission
that this one photo made of the highest portion of the right lung."

-snip-

"It could be contended that that photo could show the course and direction the bullet that entered the lower part of the
neck and exited the front part."

-snip-

"We are left with one specific problem. Dr. Humes did testify before the Warren Commission there was such a photo [that]
we don't have."

-snip-

You kooks keep on ignoring the fact that the Parkland doctors did not see JFK's back and therefore did not see the neck/back entry wound. Therefore they initially (and prematurely, as it turned out) announced that the frontal throat wound was one of entry. 

They weren't doing any damn autopsy, they were entirely focussed on reviving the POTUS.

[Gary Craig]

You kooks keep on ignoring the fact that the Parkland doctors did not see JFK's back and therefore did not see the neck/back entry wound. Therefore they initially (and prematurely, as it turned out) announced that the frontal throat wound was one of entry. 

They weren't doing any damn autopsy, they were entirely focussed on reviving the POTUS.

I'm guessing they wouldn't have connected the 2 wounds without dissecting the bullet track like the

autopsy Dr.'s did.

And how would seeing the back wound change the appearance of the entrance wound in the front of JFK's

throat?