Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy

[Ross Lidell]

Oh! I see; he was only incompetent on the assassination weekend.  That makes your argument so much more robust. NOT.

I really don't understand the point you're trying to make

We are getting off-topic.

However ... Jesse Curry did not believe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK while he was Chief of Police in Dallas (until 1966). From Oswald's death to his (Curry's) retirement, he never mentioned a belief that there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK.

Only when he wrote a book about the assassination in 1969--presumably to make money--did he claim doubts that Oswald was the assassin of JFK.

Curry's responsibility was to ensure the safe transfer of Lee Harvey Oswald from the City to the County Jail. Oswald was murdered while in custody of the Dallas PD. Chief Jesse Curry was incompetent.

[Lee Wotton]

You're welcome, Lee.

I know their MO, no worries.

As I understand it the FMJ ammo was designed to inflict minimum damage to the victim (Hague Convention ). Oswald (ex-marine) would have known that. That was not his objective.

EDIT: Following the LN narrative that is...

Yes it was the hollow tipped ammo that was designed to cause explosive trauma on the target.  I suspect the head shot was a hollow tipped round which again points to conspiracy even without considering where it was fired from.

[Lee Wotton]

You're being idiotic. There wasn't a conspiracy but they didn't know that shortly after 1 pm.

Of course they did, they even had one of their team in the DPD when the interrogation started.  I believe it was a chap named Kunkel.
Why did they do that?  That's not their jurisdiction either.

How do you explain the SS blatantly not fulfilling their security details for that trip?

The SS were part of the Treasury dept at that time!!  Can't imagine what a motive may have been

[Lee Wotton]

Childlike simplication.

Minimal damage was for soft tissue, not hard tissue. I don't think they can do much even today to make a metal bullet leave behind a clean contained pencil-like missile path through the skull.

Ok Einstein I don't see to much of an adult explanation here?

Why not answer the question as to whether a carcano can fire FMJ rounds.  Its not a trick question I would just like to know.

Hollow tipped ammo was used to cause explosive damage as per the head shot

[Lee Wotton]

from Conspiracy of Silence,
Dr. Charles Crenshaw [Parkland Doctor]

When the entourage had moved into the main hall, Dr. Earl Rose, chief of forensic pathology, confronted the men in suits. Roy Kellerman, the man leading the group, looked sternly at Dr. Rose and announced, ?My friend, this is the body of the President of the United States, and we are going to take it back to Washington.?

Dr. Rose bristled and replied, ?No, that?s not the way things are. When there?s a homicide, we must have an autopsy.?

?He?s the President. He?s going with us,? Kellerman barked, with increased intensity in his voice.

?The body stays,? Dr. Rose said with equal poignancy.

Kellerman took an erect stance and brought his firearm into a ready position. The other men in suits followed course by draping their coattails behind the butts of their holstered pistols. How brave of these men, wearing their Brooks Brothers suits with icons of distinction (color-coded Secret Service buttons) pinned to their lapels, willing to shoot an unarmed doctor to secure a corpse.

"My friend, my name is Roy Kellerman. I am special agent in charge of the White House detail of the Secret Service. We are taking President Kennedy back to the capitol.?

?You are not taking the body anywhere. There?s a law here. We?re going to enforce it.?

Admiral George Burkley, White House Medical Officer, said, ?Mrs. Kennedy is going to stay exactly where she is until the body is moved. We can?t have that ? he?s the President of the United States.?

?That doesn?t matter,? Dr. Rose replied rigidly. ?You can?t lose the chain of evidence.?

For the second time that day, there was little doubt in my mind as to the significance of what was happening before me.

?Goddammit, get your ass out of the way before you get hurt,? screamed another one of the men in suits. Another snapped, ?We?re taking the body, now.?

Strange, I thought, this President is getting more protection dead than he did when he was alive.

Had Dr. Rose not stepped aside I?m sure that those thugs would have shot him. They would have killed me and anyone else who got in their way. Dr. Kemp Clark wanted to physically detain the coffin, but the men with guns acted like tough guys with specific orders. A period of twenty-seven years has neither erased the fear that I felt nor diminished the impression that that incident made upon me.

They loaded the casket into the hearse, Jacqueline got into the backseat, placed her hand on top of the coffin, and bowed her head. As they drove off, I felt that a thirty-year-old surgeon had seen more than his share for one day.

Great post Michael thank you

[Lee Wotton]

Getting back to the OP let take just the number of shots and ignore for a moment the locations shots were fired from.  Ignore for now the sequence of shots just look at the number from the evidence:

- Missed shot; Tague injury that even the WC and FBI had to take on board.
- JFK head shot
- JFK front throat shot
- JFK back shot near right shoulder
- Connallys back shot exiting through front of suit coat
- Connallys right wrist shot
- Connallys left thigh shot
- Bullet hole in limo windshield
- Significant bullet dent in windshield chrome frame
- Many way concrete surround bullet strike as opposed to the kerb strike (one resulted in Tagues injury)
- Bullet found in Parkland in real good condition after causing how many injuries.
- Bullet fragments found in carpet in front of limo and under jump seats


How can this be reduced to 3 shots only and one being a miss?

[Tim Nickerson]

Giving  effect  to  this  intention,  it  is  our  opinion  that  the  term  ?offi?cer?  appearing  in  18 U.S.C.  ? 372  includes both  permanent  and  tempo?rary,  full-and  part-time officers  and  employees  of  the  United  States.

are you calling the POTUS an "officer"? [that is what provides "The Honorable" in the title he appoints to others]
where is that he is an officer?  or better yet where does the code say President?

...or that Federal jurisdiction supersedes

18 U.S. Code ? 372 - Conspiracy to impede or injure officer
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/372

"If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both."
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 107?273, div. B, title IV, ? 4002(d)(1)(D), Nov. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 1809.)

John F. Kennedy held the office of the President of the United States of America.

[Tim Nickerson]

"IF two or more persons"? "...imprisoned not more than six years?"
yea so?

Conspiracy to impede or injure an officer of the United States is a Federal offense.

also
or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both."

The President is NOT an officer of the United States
and so how does any of this allow them to take the body?...

What part of "duties of his office" don't you understand? The President is an officer of the United States. He is the Chief Executive Officer. He took an oath of office before assuming that role. He is the Commander in Chief of the US military. Give it up Capasse.