JFK Assassination references in “The Irishman”

[Charles Collins]

    Do Not know if the half mast routine really happened, but with AG Bobby Kennedy having created a "Get Hoffa Squad" inside the Justice Dept, Hoffa felt justified in any course of action he chose to take.  Hoffa was also against the Mob Bosses cutting a deal with Joe Kennedy to secure Illinois for JFK in the "60" election. Once JFK failed to provide the air support for the Bay Of Pigs Invasion, and the Mafia then knew that they were Never going to get their Cuban casinos back/open as Joe Kennedy had promised, JFK was toast.

Have you read the book? Does it claim that the half-mast routine is really true? Or was this just something that the Hollywood folks thought would make for good drama in the movie?

[Royell Storing]

Have you read the book? Does it claim that the half-mast routine is really true? Or was this just something that the Hollywood folks thought would make for good drama in the movie?

    I have read the book and do Not recall if the half-mast routine was included. It might have been a throw away line in the book and dramatized to a greater extent in the movie. Hoffa's hatred for AG Bobby Kennedy and his "Get Hoffa" squad makes the half-mast flag raising easy to accept as being fact. Per the book, Nixon pardoned Hoffa for a $400,000 "contribution" to the Nixon Re-Election Campaign. The cash was carried by Hit Man Sheeran and handed directly to Nixon's AG John Mitchell. Unknown to Hoffa at the time was the pardon also included the caveat that Hoffa could Not run for President of the Teamster's Union until 1980. I would guess that Nixon also got a kick back/$$$ from current Teamster Pres Frank Fitzsimmons for inclusion of that caveat. Raising a flag from half-mast is duck soup in comparison to what Hoffa wanted done to the prominent names on his lengthy enemies list. 

[Royell Storing]

There's a reference to the funeral, so it's being implied that Hoffa raised the flag before the funeral.

Maybe he had the flag raised back up late on the 25th, after the funeral. Or the following day. Maybe it was a decision out of Hoffa's hands.

According to an account from an official who was at the Teamsters Headquarters in DC, Hoffa in Miami on the 22nd complained that the flag had been lowered at the Headquarters. Could be that over time this evolved into Hoffa personally having something to do with it being raised back up. Some accounts have Hoffa ordering the flag not to be lowered and that it wasn't.

Took at the dramatic license the "JFK" movie took and how truth was distorted.

   'Truth distorted" in Stone's JFK? Be specific. No "JFK" = No ARRB

[Paul May]

Bill Paxton was an eight year old in the crowd in Fort Worth to see JFK on the day Kennedy died. He became a successful actor and co-produced the movie "Parkland" based on the book "Four Days in November". He may have had other LN-type projects in mind but died mysteriously at age 61 in 2017, some days after open-heart surgery.

The "official" line was that Paxton had suffered rheumatic fever as a child, which damaged his heart. Still some wonder if he was silenced by rogue elements of the CT community.

Some still wonder? Who are some of these people?

[Paul May]

The is likely one of the most boring films I’ve seen in recent years. Surprised at Scorsese. Way to long. Pesci, DiNiro and Pacino are very average in their roles. Not in the same league as Goodfellas, Casino or The Departed as a mob movie.

[Richard Rubio]

I just put off seeing it for some time, finally saw it. It's quite a movie.

*SPOILERS*

So, sorry to resurrect this thread... while the movie was very persuasive....

In 2004, the Morning Call in Allentown, Pennsylvania reported that investigators looking into Hoffa’s disappearance had discovered traces of blood inside a home where Sheeran claimed he shot Hoffa. A prosecutor said the chemical tests were inconclusive, and the FBI was looking for Hoffa DNA.

The article reported that there were two confessions, including a purported deathbed confession in which Sheeran “said he flew to Pontiac on a small plane,” picked up Hoffa’s body from the actual killers and “drove it to a Hamtramck trash incinerator, where it was burned.”

Sheeran’s daughter claimed that confession was a forgery due to warring biographers, the article reported.

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2019/11/did-frank-sheeran-kill-jimmy-hoffa/
 

So, I've read in a few places that the DNA tests as said above, don't prove anything.

Did Frank Sheeran Kill Jimmy Hoffa?

Burnstein: "Frank Sheeran did not kill Jimmy Hoffa. He did not kill Joe Gallo, and he probably didn’t kill Salvatore (Sally Bugs) Briguglio.

I, from my research, am able to tie Sheeran to, I think, one murder. Other than that, I questioned his resume as a hitman. It’s all kind of pomp and circumstance. It’s what he says is murder. At first, I was able to entertain the idea that he had something to do with the conspiracy and it was just kind of holding back, and giving bits and pieces of it that suit him best. But the further I’ve dove in to, to the man that is Frank Sheeran, I’m convinced it’s all a giant hoax, and a scam and a con job. He’s a con man. And this is it.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/features/2019/12/02/fact-vs-myth-what-the-irishman-got-wrong-about-hoffa-story/

Just had to weigh in,  Sheenan killed both Joey Gallo and Jimmy Hoffa??   That would be impressive if someone could claim that. I've got real doubts about doing both.

And the JFK part as said, was inconclusive but it was portrayed very well as far as when the news hit.

It's some great movie imho, one just has to be careful in what they believe.  It's pretty unclear and it seems there is plenty of room for doubt.

[Gary Craig]

    Sheeran tying Nixon to The Mob via dealing directly with E Howard Hunt and AG John Mitchell makes me think about the rumors of Nixon having flown out of Dallas early on 11/22/63.

[Paul May]

Nice parody!

Paxton died of a stroke eleven days after surgery to repair a damaged heart valve and his aorta. How exactly is this mysterious?