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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2019, 07:21:10 PM »
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Most of the general public don't give a spombleprofglidnoctobuns about the JFK assassination. Most of the general public don't know the details other than those gleaned from conspiracy-monger pulp fiction. Conspiracy-theorizing has always been the real national sport in America.
Yes. And for the younger generation - under 40 or so - most of what they know comes from watching the Stone movie in history class. Swell, just swell.

These supposed JFK "conspirators" are almost all dead. We have Paine and who else? Any major figure, anyone in "command" has long been dead. To think this nefarious "they" care about what is said here is just...well, I have no words. To think "they" reward "LN shills" is, again, I have no words. Not all conspiracy believers suffer from a form of "conspiracism"; but not all of them don't either.

Conspiracism is defined as: "Conspiracism serves the needs of diverse political and social groups in America and elsewhere. It identifies elites, blames them for economic and social catastrophes, and assumes that things will be better once popular action can remove them from positions of power. As such, conspiracy theories do not typify a particular epoch or ideology."

So we see Trump and his supporters promoting them; and Trump's hardcore opponents promoting them as well. Trump is a conman and narcissist who warrants removal from office; but he's not a Manchurian candidate controlled by Putin. But I don't think this is unique to the US. Maybe more prevalent now; but there's always been conspiracy beliefs - the Jews killed Jesus, the Masons control the world, type of thinking.

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2019, 09:14:08 PM »
Psst..the lunacy here is sticking with the fringe LN hypothesis when the consensus by the HSCA and most of the general public think this was likely a conspiracy. And if this was a conspiracy then LHO was not a lone nut. If LHO was not a lone nut then he was a patsy. If he was a patsy then he had handlers. If he had handlers then Paine was one of them.

And yes, the conspirators have thanked you LNer suckers bigly for your patronage over the many decades. Not exclusively on this forum but for all the good shilling you've done in print and media to keep the LNer ghost alive. Congrats!

Belief in a thing, even by a lot of people, doesn't make it true.  Most people don't know the first detail about the JFK assassination.  Their opinion is worthless. There are facts and evidence, however.  And if you honestly think you are in possession of facts and evidence that are conclusive of Ruth Paine's or anyone else's involvement in a conspiracy to kill the President you would have presented your case to the authorities.  Instead you spend all your time here lecturing us about our motives.  An implicit acknowledgement that you have no such evidence of a conspiracy and would be shunned by the authorities.  A JFK conspiracy is a fantasy.  It is dealt with by CTers in a hypothetical sense in which a Quaker, housewife can be a sinister master spy involved in an assassination selectively nitpicking her words and making sinister implications.  The real Ruth Paine is of no interest to you because it is preposterous that she was involved in any conspiracy.  Just a kind person doing a good deed.   

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2019, 10:02:33 PM »
Belief in a thing, even by a lot of people, doesn't make it true.  Most people don't know the first detail about the JFK assassination.  Their opinion is worthless. There are facts and evidence, however.  And if you honestly think you are in possession of facts and evidence that are conclusive of Ruth Paine's or anyone else's involvement in a conspiracy to kill the President you would have presented your case to the authorities.  Instead you spend all your time here lecturing us about our motives.  An implicit acknowledgement that you have no such evidence of a conspiracy and would be shunned by the authorities.  A JFK conspiracy is a fantasy.  It is dealt with by CTers in a hypothetical sense in which a Quaker, housewife can be a sinister master spy involved in an assassination selectively nitpicking her words and making sinister implications.  The real Ruth Paine is of no interest to you because it is preposterous that she was involved in any conspiracy.  Just a kind person doing a good deed.   
They have Quaker pacifist housewives and waitresses and steamfitters and shoe salesmen and ticket takers and cab drivers and bus drivers and warehouse workers and dozens and dozens of ordinary people conspiring with major elements of the government - the CIA, the FBI, the Pentagon, the Secret Service, the Justice Department - to murder the president. And frame an innocent man. And then cover all of that up for the rest of their lives.

Then, if that's not enough, they have us "LN shills" working with or on behalf of the conspirators.

It never ends.

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2019, 10:02:33 PM »


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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2019, 10:10:31 PM »
They have Quaker pacifist housewives and waitresses and steamfitters and shoe salesmen and ticket takers and cab drivers and bus drivers and warehouse workers and dozens and dozens of ordinary people conspiring with major elements of the government - the CIA, the FBI, the Pentagon, the Secret Service, the Justice Department - to murder the president. And frame an innocent man. And then cover all of that up for the rest of their lives.

Then, if that's not enough, they have us "LN shills" working with or on behalf of the conspirators.

It never ends.

It’s a mindset that defies articulable facts, reason, and logic.

Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2019, 10:20:18 PM »
It’s a mindset that defies articulable facts, reason, and logic.
That they then demand we refute. To their satisfaction.

How can one prove that Ruth Paine wasn't a CIA agent controlling/handling Oswald? It's not impossible to prove a negative - I can prove I didn't shoot Lincoln; but in this matter it is impossible. Even if we had documents from the CIA stating that Ruth Paine would not be a person of use and that they rejected any thoughts of using her, the conspiracists would simply say they were faked. So what can we do?

All we can do, essentially, is ask that if she was part of the framing of Oswald then why didn't she do "A" or "B"? As in, why didn't she say he expressed hatred towards JFK? Why didn't she say she saw his rifle in the garage? And that she saw him leave with it that morning? Those are the types of deeply incriminating evidence against Oswald that the conspirators would want her to do.

But she did none of that. Why not?

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2019, 11:03:51 PM »
Yes. And for the younger generation - under 40 or so - most of what they know comes from watching the Stone movie in history class. Swell, just swell.

These supposed JFK "conspirators" are almost all dead. We have Paine and who else? Any major figure, anyone in "command" has long been dead. To think this nefarious "they" care about what is said here is just...well, I have no words. To think "they" reward "LN shills" is, again, I have no words. Not all conspiracy believers suffer from a form of "conspiracism"; but not all of them don't either.

Conspiracism is defined as: "Conspiracism serves the needs of diverse political and social groups in America and elsewhere. It identifies elites, blames them for economic and social catastrophes, and assumes that things will be better once popular action can remove them from positions of power. As such, conspiracy theories do not typify a particular epoch or ideology."

So we see Trump and his supporters promoting them; and Trump's hardcore opponents promoting them as well. Trump is a conman and narcissist who warrants removal from office; but he's not a Manchurian candidate controlled by Putin. But I don't think this is unique to the US. Maybe more prevalent now; but there's always been conspiracy beliefs - the Jews killed Jesus, the Masons control the world, type of thinking.

PSYCHOLOGY OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES
British Journal of Psychology · August 2016
Karen M. Douglas
University of Kent

See discussions, stats, and author profiles for this publication at:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305882368

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Recent years have seen a growing interest in the psychological factors associated with conspiracy belief (see Bilewicz, Cichocka & Soral, 2015 for an overview). For example, conspiracy belief has been linked to distrust in authority, cynicism (Abalakina- Paap, Stephan, Craig & Gregory, 1999; Swami, Chamorro-Premuzic & Furnham, 2010), Machiavellianism (Douglas & Sutton, 2011), collective narcissism (Cichocka, Marchlewska, Golec de Zavala & Olechowski, in press), and a tendency to attribute agency and intentionality where it is unlikely to exist (Douglas, Sutton, Callan, Dawtry & Harvey, 2016). Conspiracy theories are said to thrive under conditions of powerlessness (Whitson & Galinsky, 2008) and uncertainty (van Prooijen & Jostmann, 2013).
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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #62 on: December 20, 2019, 11:57:34 PM »
That they then demand we refute. To their satisfaction.

How can one prove that Ruth Paine wasn't a CIA agent controlling/handling Oswald? It's not impossible to prove a negative - I can prove I didn't shoot Lincoln; but in this matter it is impossible. Even if we had documents from the CIA stating that Ruth Paine would not be a person of use and that they rejected any thoughts of using her, the conspiracists would simply say they were faked. So what can we do?

All we can do, essentially, is ask that if she was part of the framing of Oswald then why didn't she do "A" or "B"? As in, why didn't she say he expressed hatred towards JFK? Why didn't she say she saw his rifle in the garage? And that she saw him leave with it that morning? Those are the types of deeply incriminating evidence against Oswald that the conspirators would want her to do.

But she did none of that. Why not?

For the sake of argument let's assume this was a conspiracy either big or small. Logic dictates:

A) If Oswald was a conspirator then he was planted in the TSBD and the motorcade was rerouted down Elm.
B) If Oswald was planted then the conspirators had to be high enough on the food chain to make it happen.
C) Only a "big" conspiracy could have set up Oswald for the Big Event.
D) If this was a big conspiracy then Oswald was a patsy and the DPD were in on it.
E) If Oswald was the patsy in the Big Event then he was also a singleton agent who got double-crossed.
F) If Oswald was a singleton agent then he must have been recruited from CIA's Fake Defector program.
G) If Oswald was a CIA agent then he had handlers.
H) If Oswald had handlers the person who he lived with and got him a job at the TSBD, was likely one of them.
I) He lived with Ruth Paine who was overly involved in his life, yet apparently knew nothing about the Big Event.
J) Handlers come in all shapes and sizes and Paine was perfect for the role considering how she continues to dupe all the LNers.

The Food Chain:

K) Who was in charge of the Fake Defector program in 1963? CIA CI director James Jesus Angleton, Allen Dulles best bud.
L) Who wanted JFK dead the most after the BOPs fiasco? Dulles.
M) Who had that compromising photo of Hoover at the time? Angleton
N) Who was easily persuaded to get on board with the Big Event? Hoover
O) Who had various members of the DPD and SS under their thumb? Hoover
P) Who was more than willing to turn a blind eye and let it all play out so he could step in as POTUS? Johnson
Q) Who were the ONLY people who could have made the Big Event happen? See above.

Before you know it, Oswald gets apprehended by the DPD 1 hour after he flees the scene, then Hoover and Johnson get on the phone to discuss a month's worth of incriminating dirt on Oswald dug up less than 24 hours after the assassination.  Sorry, I just don't buy it. You can speculate why Paine didn't do this or that, but it seems to me she did her job perfectly. She's still here isn't she? JMHO.

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2020, 10:05:59 AM »
Sorry if its been answered but when is the Truth is the Only Client documentary released?

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2020, 10:05:59 AM »