Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Richard and Bill,

If, as I suspect, all-around loser and self-proclaimed Marxist Lee Harvey Oswald, disgusted as he was with life in America as well as in the USSR, assassinated President Kennedy on November 1963 in order to "accelerate The Dialectic" (and bring down both systems), I wonder if he could have envisioned that a mobbed-up, multi-billionaire, former KGB officer would be a de facto dictator of Russia today, and that his (Putin's) number one  "useful idiot," Donald Trump, would be the nominal president of The United States?

Ironically, what Oswald did gave rise to oodles and gobs of tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, some of it Kremlin-promulgated, that paved the way for the likes of far-left (Oliver Stone, James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio) and far-right conspiracy-spewing ideologues (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Alex Jones), and, as a result of their "works," the advent of Donald J. Trump as our president.

--  MWT 

You have dozens of post here positing this bizarre (to me) theory that the KGB/DGI and Khrushchev or Castro directed Oswald to kill JFK. And then you (correctly) complain about rampant conspiracy thinking going around?

Frankly, your views on the assassination are really not much different than those of Oliver Stone and DiEugenio and Simpich. They just believe that the CIA was behind it all and you think the KGB or DGI was.

Then, to top it off, you've suggested that people here who disagree with you may be Putin's assets? Really?

As Richard pointed out above, Oswald probably didn't give much thought to his act. He retrieves his rifle the day before the assassination, he has zero practice with it, doesn't check it for accuracy and reliability. He has four bullets. He has to get a ride from a co-worker. He has to hope that he'll be alone at the time JFK passes by.

This is not the act of a well-trained assassin who prepares for the act on orders of Khrushchev. This is a desperate, angry man who got tragically lucky.

[Richard Smith]

About 10 days before the assassination Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in Dallas to confront the FBI agent, James Hosty, about his (Hosty's) questioning of Marina. That's not an act of someone who is planning to murder the president. That's drawing attention to yourself, raising a red flag.

Granted the FBI, Hosty specifically, dropped the ball. But Oswald wouldn't know how the FBI would act. In fact when he was in Mexico City he complained that the "notorious FBI" was after him.

Then he gets his rifle the day before the assassination. He doesn't get it earlier to practice with it, to check on its accuracy and reliability. He has four bullets. He needs a rife ride from a co-worker. He has to hope that he can be alone at the time JFK passes by. He has to hope on....well it's not a small list.

He got tragically lucky. He had almost no resources, no planning, no escape. It was essentially suicide.

Yes, he wouldn't have even known JFK was coming to Dallas and would pass his building until Monday or Tuesday before the assassination.  He also made a request to hold up his tax form when he was hired at the TSBD so he could add another dependent when his child was born.  Saving himself a few bucks.  Not something a guy who knew he would be killing the president in a few weeks would have concerned himself with.  There is no escaping from assassinating the president.  Oswald knew that which is why he left most of his money and wedding ring at home that morning.  This is where CTers ask why Oswald would have made a run for it if he knew his situation was hopeless.  As though criminals simply sit down and give themselves up even if there is no hope of escape.  Oswald just played his hand out like any number of criminals have done throughout history.  He had nothing to lose by giving it a try.  With a little luck (i.e. not encountering Tippit) he might have got out of Dallas and even to Mexico before the authorities caught up to him.  Like James Earl Ray did.

[Bill Chapman]

Yes, he wouldn't have even known JFK was coming to Dallas and would pass his building until Monday or Tuesday before the assassination.  He also made a request to hold up his tax form when he was hired at the TSBD so he could add another dependent when his child was born.  Saving himself a few bucks.  Not something a guy who knew he would be killing the president in a few weeks would have concerned himself with.  There is no escaping from assassinating the president.  Oswald knew that which is why he left most of his money and wedding ring at home that morning.  This is where CTers ask why Oswald would have made a run for it if he knew his situation was hopeless.  As though criminals simply sit down and give themselves up even if there is no hope of escape.  Oswald just played his hand out like any number of criminals have done throughout history.  He had nothing to lose by giving it a try.  With a little luck (i.e. not encountering Tippit) he might have got out of Dallas and even to Mexico before the authorities caught up to him.  Like James Earl Ray did.

Yeah, Oswald seemed an unlikely candidate to voluntarily give himself up

[Charles Collins]

Yeah, Oswald seemed an unlikely candidate to voluntarily give himself up

The real perpetrator of the Centennial Olympic Park bombing hid out in the wilderness, surviving on acorns, bugs, etc. for five years after he had been identified and became a fugitive.

[Bill Chapman]

You have dozens of post here positing this bizarre (to me) theory that the KGB/DGI and Khrushchev or Castro directed Oswald to kill JFK. And then you (correctly) complain about rampant conspiracy thinking going around?

Frankly, your views on the assassination are really not much different than those of Oliver Stone and DiEugenio and Simpich. They just believe that the CIA was behind it all and you think the KGB or DGI was.

Then, to top it off, you've suggested that people here who disagree with you may be Putin's assets? Really?

As Richard pointed out above, Oswald probably didn't give much thought to his act. He retrieves his rifle the day before the assassination, he has zero practice with it, doesn't check it for accuracy and reliability. He has four bullets. He has to get a ride from a co-worker. He has to hope that he'll be alone at the time JFK passes by.

This is not the act of a well-trained assassin who prepares for the act on orders of Khrushchev. This is a desperate, angry man who got tragically lucky.

Lee Harvey Occam-Oswald

[Richard Smith]

The real perpetrator of the Centennial Olympic Park bombing hid out in the wilderness, surviving on acorns, bugs, etc. for five years after he had been identified and became a fugitive.

I don't think Oswald would have had the fortitude to last long eating acorns and bugs.  He doesn't strike me as that type.  From what we do know about him and his actions, he appears to have understood that his chances of pulling this off and getting away were slim to none.  He wasn't delusional on that point.  As evidenced by leaving most of his money and wedding ring with Marina.  So arrest or death was part of his calculation in deciding to commit the act.  That doesn't mean he was going to sit down and give up.  He played out his hand.   At first just trying to move away from a known location after obtaining his pistol.   What he would have done had he not encountered Tippit has to be speculation but we know his objective over the previous months was to gain entry to Cuba.  And that, however unrealistic, was his best and perhaps only hope after assassinating the president.  Castro gave asylum to hijackers and murders from the US including a guy who killed a police officer.   So as fantastic as it might sound it was Oswald's only real hope and consistent with his objectives prior to the assassination.  He knew the drill about going to Mexico from his recent trip.  Maybe in his demented mind if he could get to Mexico City and the Cuban embassy, he might be given asylum by Castro as some type of revolutionary hero.   A fantasy Oswald was cultivating for himself with the BY photos and attempt on Walker. 

[Charles Collins]

I don't think Oswald would have had the fortitude to last long eating acorns and bugs.  He doesn't strike me as that type.  From what we do know about him and his actions, he appears to have understood that his chances of pulling this off and getting away were slim to none.  He wasn't delusional on that point.  As evidenced by leaving most of his money and wedding ring with Marina.  So arrest or death was part of his calculation in deciding to commit the act.  That doesn't mean he was going to sit down and give up.  He played out his hand.   At first just trying to move away from a known location after obtaining his pistol.   What he would have done had he not encountered Tippit has to be speculation but we know his objective over the previous months was to gain entry to Cuba.  And that, however unrealistic, was his best and perhaps only hope after assassinating the president.  Castro gave asylum to hijackers and murders from the US including a guy who killed a police officer.   So as fantastic as it might sound it was Oswald's only real hope and consistent with his objectives prior to the assassination.  He knew the drill about going to Mexico from his recent trip.  Maybe in his demented mind if he could get to Mexico City and the Cuban embassy, he might be given asylum by Castro as some type of revolutionary hero.   A fantasy Oswald was cultivating for himself with the BY photos and attempt on Walker.

I agree, and I believe that if he hadn’t been detoured by the Tippit encounter then captured when he was, that there might have been an attempted hi jack at Love Field made by him that afternoon. And that Cuba was still where he wanted to be.

[Thomas Graves]

You have dozens of post here positing this bizarre (to me) theory that the KGB/DGI and Khrushchev or Castro directed Oswald to kill JFK. And then you (correctly) complain about rampant conspiracy thinking going around?

Frankly, your views on the assassination are really not much different than those of Oliver Stone and DiEugenio and Simpich. They just believe that the CIA was behind it all and you think the KGB or DGI was.

Then, to top it off, you've suggested that people here who disagree with you may be Putin's assets? Really?

As Richard pointed out above, Oswald probably didn't give much thought to his act. He retrieves his rifle the day before the assassination, he has zero practice with it, doesn't check it for accuracy and reliability. He has four bullets. He has to get a ride from a co-worker. He has to hope that he'll be alone at the time JFK passes by.

This is not the act of a well-trained assassin who prepares for the act on orders of Khrushchev. This is a desperate, angry man who got tragically lucky.

Galbraith,

Given the fact that we are now saddled with a pro-"KGB" / anti-CIA president (soon to be dictator-for-life?), whom would you say, in hindsight, benefited more from the assassination of JFK (by an avowed Marxist, no less)?

1) The evil, evil, evil CIA, whose anti-KGB counterintelligence capabilities were destroyed by the combined efforts of Yuri "KGB Had Nothing To Do With Oswald In The USSR" Nosenko, Aleksei "I Duped Hoover For Fifteen Years" Kulak, Dimitri "I Tag-Teamed With Kulak" Polyakov, Boris "KGB Determined The Evil, Evil, Evil MIICC Did It" Orehkov, et al., and useful American idiots (or worse) Kovich, McCoy, Hart, Solie, Colby, et al., ... or ...

2) The humanitarian organization (and Putin's former employer) best known and  remembered as the "KGB" (oh-so-innocuously split into the "SVR" and the "FSB" because, "Hey, you gullible Americans, The Cold War Is Over!") ?

D'oh

--  MWT 

PS. Don't run away now, like you usually do.

PPS  There are oodles and gobs of wishful-thinking Americans who are unwitting (by definition) "useful idiots" of KGB-boy Vladimir Putin.

As I recall, 63 million of then voted for Trump in 2016.

So don't take it so personally, Steve M.

It can happen to any ignorant and/or gullible person.