Coup D'etat in 1963

[John Pesa]

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[Jerry Freeman]

Allan Dulles wasn't fired.

OK you could say he was dismissed** 

LBJ didn't hand-pick Dulles for the Commission. Dulles, along with John McCloy, were recommended by Bobby Kennedy.

So LBJ said.  Johnson's man Katzenbach mentioned this. However...RFK nor any one close to him ever confirmed that.

LBJ continued Kennedy's policies towards Vietnam.

I'm sure there is disagreement about that
 

**During the Kennedy Administration, Dulles faced increasing criticism.[2] In autumn 1961, following the Bay of Pigs incident and Algiers putsch against Charles de Gaulle, Dulles and his entourage, including Deputy Director for Plans Richard M. Bissell Jr. and Deputy Director Charles Cabell, were forced to resign. On November 28, 1961, Kennedy presented Dulles with the National Security Medal at the CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia.[30] The next day, November 29, the White House released a resignation letter signed by Dulles.[31]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles#Dismissal

[Jerry Freeman]

The Warren Commission Report framed the couple that Lee Harvey Oswald was staying with just prior to the Assassination, Michael and Ruth Paine, as some random Quaker family that were Good Samaritans ..........

The Paines weren't really a 'couple' at the time. They were separated. Michael Paine lived in Grand Prairie [a suburb west of Dallas] close to Bell Helicopter where he worked. He was a visitor to Irving on weekends.

John J. McCloy was a hairdresser for the Schiff Family 

  His mother was. John McCloy was a laywer. Check your facts next time.
A narrative like the lead post should have been footnoted. Where did it all come from? 
I'm sure there may be a colorful response to that

[John Pesa]

Yes, John J. McCloy's mother was the hairdresser of the Schiff's up in Bar Harbor, Maine.

https://jaxrevenge.blogspot.com/2011/06/hairdressers-son.html

from above, Jack's Flame, the Origins of John J McCloy, Warren Commission Member:

This is Anna the hairdresser's son, Jack. The photo was taken in 1916 where he was a freshman in college. Outside the classroom he began taking tutoring jobs to earn a little more money for tuition. During the summer of 1920, Jack accompanied his mother once again but this time he was able to hire himself out as a tutor of history and law. One day his mother urged him to approach the Rockefellers, one of her rich clients, for a tutoring job.

Although the Rockefeller children aleady had a history tutor his personable mother managed to get Jack a job teaching the young Rockefellers sailing in the harbor below their estate. John D. Rockefeller, Jr., was forty-six years old and had five sons and one daughter, Abby, who was seventeen at the time. John D. 3rd, Nelson, Laurance, Winthrop, and young David ranged in ages from fourteen to five. That summer set the terms for what turned out to be a lifelong association between Jack and the Rockefellers. David was so young at the time that he would scarcely remember the episode. But in the eyes of the other boys, McCloy would always seem a teacher, a mature figure, closer in authority to their father's generation than to their own.


The source that has George Lyman Paine (Michael Paine's father) as a boyhood friend (sailed together in Bar Harbor) with the Rockefeller boys is:

Not Without Love, Memoirs, by Constance Webb, page 124.

https://books.google.com/books?id=ltvgliX4Qw4C&pg=PA124&lpg=PA124&dq=george+lyman+paine+rockefeller+sutton+island&source=bl&ots=ipA3-Mr1qi&sig=ACfU3U2nZrL_Ruj-QsZ2PAxRD5wWjM55jg&hl=en&ppis=_e&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiw2Z2HoITmAhUDmeAKHdoRD2oQ6AEwBXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=george%20lyman%20paine%20rockefeller%20sutton%20island&f=false

What a coincidence?


My next line of research is Otto Skorzeny, of Nazi Special Operations (did the rescue of Mussolini...). Anyway, Skorzeny's father in law was Hjalmar Schacht, Hitler's banker.  According to Mae Brussell, Hjalmar Schacht was a close friend of Clay Shaw.

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Nazi%20Connection%20to%20JFK%20Assass.html

from above:

Clay Shaw, who was charged by New Orleans D.A. Jim Garrison with complicity in the JFK assassination, was a close friend of Hjalmar Schacht.

Here is an Israeli publication talking about how this Nazi, Otto Skorzeny, became an Israeli hitman.

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/the-strange-case-of-a-nazi-who-became-a-mossad-hitman-1.5423137

back to the Mae Brussell post link above:

" Michael Paine was a descendant of the Cabots on both sides. His cousin Thomas Dudley Cabot, former president of United Fruit, had offered their Gibraltar Steamship as a cover for the CIA during the Bay of Pigs. Another cousin was Alexander Cochrane Forbes, a director of United Fruit and trustee of Cabot, Cabot, and Forbes.
    Both Allen Dulles and John J. McCloy were part of the United Fruit team. The Paine family had links with circles of the OSS and the CIA.
    Ruth Hyde Paine maintained close ties with the Forbes families. Peter Dale Scott investigated the Paines, "the patrician Paine and Forbes families." A far cry from anybody's neighbor.
    Michael's education came as a tradition, third generation physicist at Harvard before working for Bell Helicopter."

Now a relatively recent release of the Otto Skorzeny Papers has led to the release of this book: The Skorzeny Papers: Evidence for the Plot to Kill JFK

https://www.amazon.com/Skorzeny-Papers-Evidence-Plot-Kill/dp/1510708413

It is an interesting theory based on the ties to Clay Shaw (the primary target of James Garrison)

[Jerry Freeman]

It is an interesting theory based on the ties to Clay Shaw (the primary target of James Garrison)

Yeah...and it was a dead end rabbit hole. Clay Shaw was found not guilty...therefore don't we see... there was no conspiracy to kill JFK
 One of the earliest skeptics wrote in his book "How Kennedy Was Killed" [and this was post Garrison]

September 21, 1967, strikingly confirms every one of the charges I leveled against the Dallas police, time and again, in each of my six published books on the subject. As early as 1964, I openly accused the then Chief of Police, Jesse Curry, of complicity in the slaying of the President. My principal reason for making this grave charge was, at the time, an ill-considered statement made by Curry at a press conference on November 23. Asked why he had radioed instructions to surround and search the Texas School Book Depository immediately after the fatal shot had been fired, Curry said he could tell from the sound of the three shots that they had come from that building....... Joachim Joesten

That was not true. Curry ordered his men to the "railroad yards"

Have my office move all available men out of my office into the railroad yard to try to determine what happened in there and hold everything secure until Homicide and other investigators should get there.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/index.htm
Another failure to research their claims. It was Sgt Gerald Hill who circumvented that order by stating that he had this witness
However, one thing Joesten got right...the cops were in on it up to their eyeballs. Which cops?... are mentioned so in this forum.
I don't think Curry was...he was just there to take the fall as chief of the Keystones.
 

[Jerry Freeman]

Conspicuously absent in The Skorzeny Papers are any substantial sub-headings detailing Cuban exiles, Allen Dulles, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or any of the genuine suspects of the JFK assassination, save for meanderings on James Angleton’s and Bill Harvey’s roles in the creation of Staff D, the CIA’s executive action arm. Ruth and Michael Paine are nowhere to be found. Neither is a description of the aborted Chicago plot, or any substantive explanation of how Lee Harvey Oswald was moved into the Texas School Book Depository, or a note about David Phillips’ role in the whole affair from his Mexico City station. While these very real aspects of the actual JFK plot are infrequently touched upon in passing—Ganis cannot ignore the entire body of evidence, despite his best efforts—he insists on crow-barring his newfound “primary source data” into a story that at this point doesn’t permit much unique interpretation. It’s safe to say, in 2018, that President Kennedy was assassinated by a domestic, military-industrial-intelligence apparatus that viewed his foreign policy as anathema to both the “winning” of the Cold War and to their image of the United States’ role in world affairs. That Kennedy was a staunch decolonization advocate, a friend and champion of Third World leaders like Sukarno in Indonesia, Nasser in Egypt, Lumumba in the Congo, and sought diplomatic solutions to prevent the impending nuclear Armageddon with Nikita Khrushchev’s Soviet Union is all but ignored in Ganis’ conclusions as to why JFK was shot in Dallas. None of it is suggested. What ultimately led to the tragedy in Dealey Plaza, according to Ganis, is something much bigger.

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/major-ralph-p-ganis-the-skorzeny-papers-evidence-for-the-plot-to-kill-jfk

[Walt Cakebread]

Yeah...and it was a dead end rabbit hole. Clay Shaw was found not guilty...therefore don't we see... there was no conspiracy to kill JFK
 One of the earliest skeptics wrote in his book "How Kennedy Was Killed" [and this was post Garrison]
That was not true. Curry ordered his men to the "railroad yards" http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/index.htm
Another failure to research their claims. It was Sgt Gerald Hill who circumvented that order by stating that he had this witness
However, one thing Joesten got right...the cops were in on it up to their eyeballs. Which cops?... are mentioned so in this forum.
I don't think Curry was...he was just there to take the fall as chief of the Keystones.

I don't think Curry was...he was just there to take the fall as chief of the Keystones.

Curry had to have been "in the loop".....   There was good reason that LBJ had Curry take him from Parkland to Love field where he commandeered President Kennedy's plane (AF-1)    LBJ shunned the Secret Service because he knew Curry had "got the memo" and he was in the loop.

[Jerry Freeman]

Oh

   There was good reason that LBJ had Curry take him from Parkland to Love field 

Jesse Curry was a stooge and did what he was told. Johnson was that way with people.