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[Walt Cakebread]

What isn't guesswork is that Brennan often prefaced his responses, in testimony, with 'appeared to be'... which in turn speaks to the fact that he apparently didn't realize that the windows were so close to the floor.

And color and the terms used to describe it is purely subjective; not-to-mention that strong sunlight can lighten any color.

Brennan was manipulated by the WC attorneys.....so his WC testimony isn't the 100% truth....  I use his affidavit, which he gave only about an hour after the murder.

he apparently didn't realize that the windows were so close to the floor.

This is the lame brain response that LNer's have been using for decades...  If any LNer could comprehend what Howard Brennan wrote they probably wouldn't use such a stupid response.    Howard Brennan said that the man with the HIGH POWERED rifle ( ie Hunting rifle) who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing was STANDING ( and he knew that because ) he could see... Quote..."THE MAN FROM HIS BELT UP."... unquote

If the 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing had been kneeling or sitting behind a sixth floor window, Brennan could not have seen the entire upper portion of the man from his belt up.....because Brennan was looking up at about a 30 degree angle and therefore the portion of the building beneath the window would have occluded 75% of the man.   If the man had been kneeling Brennan would only have seen his head and shoulders....But he was specific   He said that he saw the man place the high powered rifle down at his side and then step back from the window.

[Bill Chapman]

Brennan was manipulated by the WC attorneys[/b].....so his WC testimony isn't the 100% truth....  I use his affidavit, which he gave only about an hour after the murder.

he apparently didn't realize that the windows were so close to the floor.

This is the lame brain response that LNer's have been using for decades...  If any LNer could comprehend what Howard Brennan wrote they probably wouldn't use such a stupid response.    Howard Brennan said that the man with the HIGH POWERED rifle ( ie Hunting rifle) who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing was STANDING ( and he knew that because ) he could see... Quote..."THE MAN FROM HIS BELT UP."... unquote

If the 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing had been kneeling or sitting behind a sixth floor window, Brennan could not have seen the entire upper portion of the man from his belt up.....because Brennan was looking up at about a 30 degree angle and therefore the portion of the building beneath the window would have occluded 75% of the man.   If the man had been kneeling Brennan would only have seen his head and shoulders....But he was specific   He said that he saw the man place the high powered rifle down at his side and then step back from the window.

Fact: Brennan testified that Jarman & Williams appeared to be standing
Fact: Jarman and Williams were actually kneeling
Ergo: Brennan did not realize the windows were so close to the floor

Brennan was manipulated by the WC attorneys
>>> Some Advice: Make sure you don't confuse opinion with fact

[Walt Cakebread]

Fact: Brennan testified that Jarman & Williams appeared to be standing
Fact: Jarman and Williams were actually kneeling
Ergo: Brennan did not realize the windows were so close to the floor

Brennan was manipulated by the WC attorneys
>>> Some Advice: Make sure you don't confuse opinion with fact

Do you have trouble concentrating on the subject being discussed? We are NOT discussing the three stooges....Howard Brennan's statement that he could see all of the man FROM HIS BELT UP as the man STOOD and aimed the high powered rifle out of a window is the subject ....   

It makes not an iota of difference if Brennan was lead by the shyster WC attorney to say he thought the three stooges were standing on boxes .....They are not the subject.

[Bill Chapman]

Do you have trouble concentrating on the subject being discussed? We are NOT discussing the three stooges....Howard Brennan's statement that he could see all of the man FROM HIS BELT UP as the man STOOD and aimed the high powered rifle out of a window is the subject ....   

It makes not an iota of difference if Brennan was lead by the shyster WC attorney to say he thought the three stooges were standing on boxes .....They are not the subject.

The fact that Brennan didn't realize the 6th floor TSBD windows were so close to the floor is of tantamount importance. That fact informs Brennan's 'appeared to me' responses in testimony.


Jarman/Williams posItions at TSBD windows

[Walt Cakebread]

The fact that Brennan didn't realize the 6th floor TSBD windows were so close to the floor is of tantamount importance. That fact informs Brennan's 'appeared to me' responses in testimony.


Jarman/Williams posItions at TSBD windows

The position of the three stooges  is irrelevant ..... Brennan clearly stated that he saw the 175 pound man who was wearing light colored khaki clothing.and was aiming   the hunting rifle while STANDING so that Brennan was able to see his entire upper body FROM HIS BELT UP.

[John Iacoletti]

Chapman is correct that a person not knowing how close the windows were to the floor could reasonably assume that a kneeling person was standing.

However, in the case of the alleged sixth floor shooter, there were boxes in and by the window that would make it impossible to see a kneeling person "from the belt up" at the time of the head shot.

Rather than leaping to a conclusion that Brennan "forgot" what window he was talking about, I claim that it's more logical to suspect that Brennan -- a known serial embellisher -- embellished certain details after the fact.

[Bill Chapman]

The position of the three stooges  is irrelevant ..... Brennan clearly stated that he saw the 175 pound man who was wearing light colored khaki clothing.and was aiming   the hunting rifle while STANDING so that Brennan was able to see his entire upper body FROM HIS BELT UP.

And yet Brennan stated that Jarman & Williams appeared to be standing as well. These things are important simply because Brennan's not knowing about the lower window height from the floor can cause confusion regarding his testimony.

[Walt Cakebread]

And yet Brennan stated that Jarman & Williams appeared to be standing as well. These things are important simply because Brennan's not knowing about the lower window height from the floor can cause confusion regarding his testimony.

"Appeared to be"....    That's the same as guessing.   Brennan did NOT say the the 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing and who was aiming a hunting rifle from a window "appeared to be  standing"    Brennan said the man WAS STANDING and aiming the high powered rifle out of the window....and he could see the man's entire upper body from his belt up....