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[Bill Chapman]

Did Brennan ever say the man arrested (Lee Harvey Oswald) was the wrong man?

As a matter of fact I believe he did....   But the cops wouldn't listen.....

 

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[Bill Chapman]

Did Brennan ever say the man arrested (Lee Harvey Oswald) was the wrong man?

Maybe posthumously*
 

*In his ghostwritten book, published 3 years after his death.

Edit: 11:23am EST
Ghost re-written

[John Iacoletti]

And Chapman’s evidence that it was “ghostwritten”?

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[Walt Cakebread]

Did Brennan ever say the man arrested (Lee Harvey Oswald) was the wrong man?

Did Brennan ever say the man arrested (Lee Harvey Oswald) was the wrong man?

It seems to me that Brennan was being badgered to ID Lee Oswald as the man that he had seen with a hunting rifle who was standing behind a TSBD window....

And that was another thing that I called their attention to at the lineup.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember the specific color of any shirt that the man with the rifle was wearing?
Mr. BRENNAN. No, other than light, and a khaki color--maybe in khaki. I mean other than light color--not a real white shirt, in other words. If it was a white shirt, it was on the dingy side.
Mr. BELIN. I am handing you what the court reporter has marked as Commission Exhibit 150.
Does this look like it might or might not be the shirt, or can you make at this time any positive identification of any kind?
Mr. BRENNAN. I would have expected it to be a little lighter--a shade or so lighter.
Mr. BELIN. Than Exhibit 150?
Mr. BRENNAN. That is the best of my recollection.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Could you see the man's trousers at all?
Do you remember any color?
Mr. BRENNAN. I remembered them at that time as being similar to the same color of the shirt or a little lighter. And that was another thing that I called their attention to at the lineup.
Mr. BELIN. What do you mean by that?
Mr. BRENNAN. That he was not dressed in the same clothes that I saw the man in the window.
Mr. BELIN. You mean with reference to the trousers or the shirt?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, not particularly either. In other words, he just didn't have the same clothes on.
Mr. BELIN. All right.

[Walt Cakebread]

Don't you have a theory that Oswald changed his shirt and pants at the rooming house? Maybe Brennan noticed the clothing change, or maybe Oswald had the same shirt on as he had on earlier and it just appeared different under artificial light.

   Mr. BELIN. Well, what happened in between to change your mind that you later
          decided to come forth and tell them you could identify him?
   Mr. BRENNAN. After Oswald was killed, I was relieved quite a bit that as far as
          pressure on myself of somebody not wanting me to identify anybody, there
          was no longer that immediate danger.
   Mr. BELIN. What is the fact as to whether or not your having seen Oswald on
          television would have affected your identification of him one way or the other?
   Mr. BRENNAN. That is something I do not know.
   Mr. BELIN. Mr. Brennan, could you tell us now whether you can or cannot
          positively identify the man you saw on the sixth floor window as the same
          man that you saw in the police station?
   Mr. BRENNAN. I could at that time I could, with all sincerity, identify him as
          being the same man.

I know Brennan had some problems, like other witnesses. I don't expect them to record details as if they were digital cameras. Some witnesses are only accurate on a few big things and weak on lesser things.

Don't you have a theory that Oswald changed his shirt and pants at the rooming house? Maybe Brennan noticed the clothing change, or maybe Oswald had the same shirt on as he had on earlier and it just appeared different under artificial light.


Not a theory , Mr. O..... Captain Fritz wrote that Lee Oswald went to his room and changed his clothes before going to the theater.

Lee's dirty clothes were found in his room...but those dirty clothes were NOT light colored khaki......There were no light colored khaki clothes found in Lee's room.

Maybe Brennan noticed the clothing change, or maybe Oswald had the same shirt on as he had on earlier and it just appeared different under artificial light.


No, Lee didn't have the same shirt on.....  The detective ( Potts) who listed the items of clothing found in Lee's room. ... Potts described the shirt as a long sleeved sport shirt, reddish brown in color with a BUTTON DOWN COLLAR...     Was the shirt that Lee was wearing at the theater REDDISH BROWN?  Did it have a BUTTON DOWN COLOR?   ( see Potts exhibit)   And the trousers were dark grey..... 

Brennan said that the 175 pound man's trousers were a LIGHTER color than the man's "dingy white shirt"    Lee's trousers were a DARK grey......

[Thomas Graves]

Don't you have a theory that Oswald changed his shirt and pants at the rooming house? Maybe Brennan noticed the clothing change, or maybe Oswald had the same shirt on as he had on earlier and it just appeared different under artificial light.


Not a theory , Mr. O..... Captain Fritz wrote that Lee Oswald went to his room and changed his clothes before going to the theater.

Lee's dirty clothes were found in his room...but those dirty clothes were NOT light colored khaki......The were no light colored khaki clothes found in Lee's room.

Maybe Brennan noticed the clothing change, or maybe Oswald had the same shirt on as he had on earlier and it just appeared different under artificial light.


No, Lee didn't have the same shirt on.....  The detective ( Potts) who listed the items of clothing found in Lee's room. ... Potts described the shirt as a long sleeved sport shirt, reddish brown in color with a BUTTON DOWN COLLAR...     Was the shirt that Lee was wearing at the theater REDDISH BROWN?  Did it have a BUTTON DOWN COLOR?   ( see Potts exhibit)   And the trousers were dark grey..... 

Brennan said that the 175 pound man's trousers were a LIGHTER color than the man's "dingy white shirt"    Lee's trousers were a DARK grey......

Walter

Even eyewitnesses and police officers make mistakes from time-to-time.

--  MWT 

PS  175 pounds?

I thought it was "165 to 175 pounds".

[Walt Cakebread]

Walter

Even eyewitnesses and police officers make mistakes from time-to-time.

--  MWT 

PS  175 pounds?

I thought it was "165 to 175 pounds".

police officers make mistakes from time-to-time.

Yes, indeed  they do...and they made some very big mistakes in the framing of their patsy,  ......The major mistake was:....They never knew that Lee was an undercover agent for Bobby K.   

I thought it was "165 to 175 pounds".

Yes, that is what Brennan wrote in his affidavit....  And I'm sure that you'll agree that Brennan's statement means that the man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing and who he saw STANDING and aiming a hunting rifle out of a upper floor window could have weighed as much as 175 pounds.

And I don't doubt that you'll be able to see that Lee Oswald's weight ( 131 lbs) couldn't possibly have been estimated  as much as 175 pounds......   And I'm sure you'll also agree that Lee's DARK colored clothing couldn't possibly have been seen as "light colored khaki", which is what Brennan said the 175 pound man was wearing.

[Thomas Graves]

police officers make mistakes from time-to-time.

Yes, indeed  they do...and they made some very big mistakes in the framing of their patsy,  ......The major mistake was:....They never knew that Lee was an undercover agent for Bobby K.   

I thought it was "165 to 175 pounds".

Yes, that is what Brennan wrote in his affidavit....  And I'm sure that you'll agree that Brennan's statement means that the man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing and who he saw STANDING and aiming a hunting rifle out of a upper floor window could have weighed as much as 175 pounds.

And I don't doubt that you'll be able to see that Lee Oswald's weight ( 131 lbs) couldn't possibly have been as much as 175 pounds......   And I'm sure you'll also agree that Lee's DARK colored clothing couldn't possibly have been seen as "light colored khaki", which is what Brennan said the 175 pound man was wearing.

"Walt",

It's telling that you seemed to think you needed to use the 175 figure instead of the more accurate "165 to 175" to make your point.

--  MWT