Did Jack Dougherty know how to count?

[Walt Cakebread]

...or both

At the time of the murder, Brennan was just another good citizen who wanted to help the police catch the criminal.....   So when he saw all of the police going to the rail yard behind the GK, he wanted to alert a cop to the fact that he'd seen a man with a hunting rifle aiming it out of an upper story window. So he dashed over to the cop and told him what he had seen....   

Later after he realized that the police were only interested in framing Lee Oswald he became a bit unhinged.....a loon.     

I suspect that Brennan's mind may have tricked him into thinking that what he had see just a couple of minutes before the shooting took place during the shooting....

IOW.... Brennan saw basically the same thing that Arnold Rowland saw ...except Brennan actually saw the khaki clad man aiming the rifle out of the window, as he scanned the crowd through the telescopic sight, just as hunters frequently do.   Then a couple of minutes later after the shooting he imagined that he had seen the man aiming the rifle DURING the shooting.      Yes that's entirely speculative.... BUT... it's feasible and there's no reasonable rebuttal for Brennan's story.   The WC recognized that they had to discredit Brennan's story so they made him a star witness so they could twist his story and manipulate a man who was  full of fear after seeing Lee Oswald murdered while being escorted by the very same cops who he had desperately tried to tell that Lee was NOT the man that he had seen aiming a rifle out of a TSBD window.

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

"Brennan did not see anything."

Wow!....  I cannot imagine how a reasonable person could arrive at such a conclusion......

Please explain why a person who "did not see anything" would jump off his perch, and go directly to a policeman and report that he'd seen a man aiming a rifle out of a TSBD window during the gunfire.    Either the man actually did see a man aiming a rifle out of a window or he was a loon.   

Brennan explains seeing a man and describes it in such a way that no one can support it, meaning Brennan says "taking aim for his last shot"...." he fired last shot or the third shot" and the man was in no great rush or hurry. If this was true, there should be others who saw some part of the slow and methodical assassin. The assassin's process is certainly not described as a split-second action but more like a 5,10 15 second action for one shot. Brennan says "he seemed to pause for a moment". That too is not a split-second. It makes me wonder if this man is still in the window

[Walt Cakebread]

Brennan explains seeing a man and describes it in such a way that no one can support it, meaning Brennan says "taking aim for his last shot"...." he fired last shot or the third shot" and the man was in no great rush or hurry. If this was true, there should be others who saw some part of the slow and methodical assassin. The assassin's process is certainly not described as a split-second action but more like a 5,10 15 second action for one shot. Brennan says "he seemed to pause for a moment". That too is not a split-second. It makes me wonder if this man is still in the window

Actually Brennan did not jump off the wall and go directly to the cop....Brennan said that he dived off that wall and took refuge on the Houston street side (east side) of the wall.   Then he went to the cop and reported what he had seen.    Look at CE 477 on page 62 of the WR and see with your own eyes that Brennan's action of diving to the east side of the wall would have been futile if the man with the rifle had been firing from the so called "Sniper's Nest"....  Therefore Brennan was taking cover from the man who was at the WEST end of the building.

[Bill Chapman]

Apparently you are not smart enough to understand what you have posted....   So Let's parse Brennan'e statement....

 Mr. BRENNAN. Well, as it appeared to me he was standing up and resting against the left window sill,  "as it appeared to me'.....Could also be " as I saw it"....

The man, who incidentally was dressed quite differently than Lee Oswald ( the man weighed about 175 pounds and was dressed in LIGHT COLORED KHAKI clothing )
That man was STANDING...or in Brennan's words...Quote ...."he was standing up"....unquote   Do you understand those words,  Chappie ?

" with gun shouldered to his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot."

The WC said that Lee Oswald was seated on a box that was back behind a stack of Rolling Readers ..... so he would not have been visible to Brennan because the brick wall of the TSBD beneath the window, and the stack of Rolling Readers boxes,  would have blocked his line of sight. But Brennan clearly said that The 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing had the hunting rifle     quote..."shouldered to his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot.".. unquote    Do you understand that Brennan's eyewitness account is starkly different than the WC' s account??

 "As I calculate a couple of seconds. He drew the gun back from the window as though he was drawing it back to his side and maybe paused for another second as though to assure hisself that he hit his mark, and then he disappeared.

Perhaps you've never read Brennan's affidavit,l which he gave about an hour after the murder.....  In his affidavit he says,  quote... "Then this man let the gun down to his side and stepped down out of sight"   unquote    The affidavit says the Brennan saw the man " let the gun DOWN to his side".... Obviously the man had to be STANDING.....

You continue to flee from my point. To wit: Brennan's observations are handicapped given that he was unaware of the real distance of the windows from the floor.

[Matthew Finch]

...or both

...or neither  Let's make sure we cover all possibilities here.

[Walt Cakebread]

You continue to flee from my point. To wit: Brennan's observations are handicapped given that he was unaware of the real distance of the windows from the floor.

You have no point to flee from....  Brennan didn't need  to know the distance from the floor to the window sill..... He said that he saw the man STANDING UP while aiming the rifle out of the window and he could see the entire upper portion of the man's body from his belt up.

[Walt Cakebread]

Brennan explains seeing a man and describes it in such a way that no one can support it, meaning Brennan says "taking aim for his last shot"...." he fired last shot or the third shot" and the man was in no great rush or hurry. If this was true, there should be others who saw some part of the slow and methodical assassin. The assassin's process is certainly not described as a split-second action but more like a 5,10 15 second action for one shot. Brennan says "he seemed to pause for a moment". That too is not a split-second. It makes me wonder if this man is still in the window

What are Brennan's words at the 0;56 point of the video?....     He's saying something about the man doing something with the rifle after the last shot.   The sound track does not match his lip movement.....   I believe that this video was made long after his appearance before the Warren Commission ...and after Brennan had learned that there was money to be made, if he lied and told the tale the government wanted him to tell.

[Bill Chapman]

You have no point to flee from....  Brennan didn't need  to know the distance from the floor to the window sill..... He said that he saw the man STANDING UP while aiming the rifle out of the window and he could see the entire upper portion of the man's body from his belt up.

Brennan's observations re anybody standing are handicapped given his assumption that Jarman and Williams were standing



The sniper window was open to a height 1/2 of the distance of what the above windows are here.
Oswald would have to be kneeling to be able to have his shoulder against the window sill