CE 2562

[Tim Nickerson]

Jerry`s reference ad - and his post -state C20-T750 as 36" rifle with scope.

Another graphic by John Mytton just to reiterate the point he already made. Oswald ordered a C20-T750. That was Klein's catalogue number for a Carcano packaged with a scope. In January of 1963, they were offering the 36 inch model under that catalogue number. In March, when Oswald placed his order via mail,  they no longer had the 36 inch model in stock. They were offering the 40 inch model under catalogue #C20-T750. Oswald ordered a C20-T750  and that's what Klein shipped to him.

[Martin Weidmann]

Another graphic by John Mytton just to reiterate the point he already made. Oswald ordered a C20-T750. That was Klein's catalogue number for a Carcano packaged with a scope. In January of 1963, they were offering the 36 inch model under that catalogue number. In March, when Oswald placed his order via mail,  they no longer had the 36 inch model in stock. They were offering the 40 inch model under catalogue #C20-T750. Oswald ordered a C20-T750  and that's what Klein shipped to him.

Oswald ordered a C20-T750.

If we assume that Oswald is indeed Hidell, then, yes he did.

That was Klein's catalogue number for a Carcano packaged with a scope.

Again, correct, but not complete. The devil is in the details. The order coupon (as well as the envelope) were addressed to Dept. 358, which told Klein's that the order coupon came from the February 1963 issue of American Rifleman, in which the 36" MC rifle was advertised.

Klein's had no reason to send a 40" rifle which were not even advertised until April 1963.

[John Tonkovich]

Oswald ordered a C20-T750.

If we assume that Oswald is indeed Hidell, then, yes he did.

That was Klein's catalogue number for a Carcano packaged with a scope.

Again, correct, but not complete. The devil is in the details. The order coupon (as well as the envelope) were addressed to Dept. 358, which told Klein's that the order coupon came from the February 1963 issue of American Rifleman, in which the 36" MC rifle was advertised.

Klein's had no reason to send a 40" rifle which were not even advertised until April 1963.

Thanks for the them clarification.

[Tim Nickerson]

Oswald ordered a C20-T750.

If we assume that Oswald is indeed Hidell, then, yes he did.

That was Klein's catalogue number for a Carcano packaged with a scope.

Again, correct, but not complete. The devil is in the details. The order coupon (as well as the envelope) were addressed to Dept. 358, which told Klein's that the order coupon came from the February 1963 issue of American Rifleman, in which the 36" MC rifle was advertised.

Klein's had no reason to send a 40" rifle which were not even advertised until April 1963.

How were Klein's to send Oswald a 36 inch Carcano in March when they didn't have any to send? They had 40 inch rifles in stock and that's what they were offering under the catalogue #C20-T750.

[John Iacoletti]

How were Klein's to send Oswald a 36 inch Carcano in March when they didn't have any to send? They had 40 inch rifles in stock and that's what they were offering under the catalogue #C20-T750.

What's your evidence that "they didn't have any to send"?

[Martin Weidmann]

How were Klein's to send Oswald a 36 inch Carcano in March when they didn't have any to send? They had 40 inch rifles in stock and that's what they were offering under the catalogue #C20-T750.

They were not offering the 40" rifle in the February issue of Rifleman. They didn't even alter the advert until April 1963?

They knew, or at least must have known, from the Department number on the order coupon that a 36" rifle was being ordered. If they had run out of stock, they IMO should have informed the client and give him the option of accepting a 40" rifle or cancel the order. I find it hard to believe they would simply send out a 40" rifle when a 36" rifle was ordered.

How were Klein's to send Oswald a 36 inch Carcano in March when they didn't have any to send?

Two questions for you;

Why would Klein's advertise a 36" MC in the February 1963 edition of Rifleman if they didn't have sufficient 36" in stock to last them more than a couple of weeks?

And how do you know that they did not have 36" MC in stock in March, more specifically mid-March, since the order coupon was send to them on March 12?

[John Tonkovich]

They were not offering the 40" rifle in the February issue of Rifleman. They didn't even alter the advert until April 1963?

They knew, or at least must have known, from the Department number on the order coupon that a 36" rifle was being ordered. If they had run out of stock, they IMO should have informed the client and give him the option of accepting a 40" rifle or cancel the order. I find it hard to believe they would simply send out a 40" rifle when a 36" rifle was ordered.

How were Klein's to send Oswald a 36 inch Carcano in March when they didn't have any to send?

Two questions for you;

Why would Klein's advertise a 36" MC in the February 1963 edition of Rifleman if they didn't have sufficient 36" in stock to last them more than a couple of weeks?

And how do you know that they did not have 36" MC in stock in March, more specifically mid-March, since the order coupon was send to them on March 12?

Thanks for the clarification.

Would still be great to get more info on the shipping info. Cartons, wooden box, etc.

[Tim Nickerson]

What's your evidence that "they didn't have any to send"?

Why else would they send a 40 inch rifle instead of a 36 inch? We know that they had just received 100 40 inch rifles the month before.